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Post by Boyd on Mar 28, 2006 12:36:21 GMT -4
I was wondering what everyone thought about the new law trying to be passed in the United States to eliminate illegal immigrants in the United States. Basically the law states that anybody or company that hires illegal immigrants to work for them can be charged with a felony for hiring the immigrants.
Also, with regards to the gm's that are out of the United States, are there any laws that they have against these so called "illegal immigrants?"
**If anyone is offended at all from this topic, please feel free to send me a PM and let me know. This is only here to discuss, it really doesn't mean nothing. It is a real topic however.**
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Post by John on Mar 28, 2006 12:52:15 GMT -4
i don't mean to offend anyone, and i'm sure many will disagree with me, but i think amnesty should be given to anyone that is in the country illegally. with respect to opposing views, that's just how i feel. i couldn't possibly agree with anyone who thinks these people should be deported, but it's just one person's opinion. living in san diego, and only 17 miles from the border of mexico, i saw these signs on the highway: the border patrol out there are, to this liberal, out of control. there are private militant groups as well in southeastern california as well as arizona - barren desert lands, that take it upon themselves to be "rangers" and victimize these people that are simply trying to make a better life for themselves. i think you know my view on the subject at this point. but never have i ever been confronted with that impressive of a contrasting view of why exactly, amnesty shouldn't be an option. because they would be unfairly given citizenship over people following the rules and waiting in line? fair enough...but that doesn't make me not want to give these people citizenship if they are hard working and contributing to society. just throwing that out there.
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Post by FUCK GATOR MONTH!! O H!! on Mar 28, 2006 14:21:11 GMT -4
this makes perfect sense, why not create a law against illegal immigrant, they are illegal arnt they? This country's the land of opportunity and all that and there's alway sways to get around to coming here legally, getting a student visa like my cousin's doing to get an education then get a job at a company so they can apply to a green card or what not. But by coming over the mexican border or a ship from china or whatever to get a job where they're not getting the minimum wage and all that, that takes alot of jobs away from people. There are plenty of US CITIZENS that doesnt have a job, why not give it to them? WE hve enough US industry, factory, coorporation thats in mexico, china, ausralia, african continent and etc that they literally rip people off paying them 5$ a month or something and now these people also want the job thats in the mainland US? Why cant they stay in their own land or go somewhere else to get another job opportunity? I just feel like if you want to be in the US and get the US opportunity, they should find a way to do it legally by getting student visa, join a US company abroad and get transfered, or anything of that sort so they have the same equal opportunity as the poeple tahts in the country already struggling to survive. GOOD JOB GOV'TS YOUR DOING SOMETHING RIGHT FOR ONCE !
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Post by John on Mar 28, 2006 14:28:31 GMT -4
i guess to me, that doesn't make perfect sense. you're questioning why someone would want to make MORE than the equivalent of $5 per month in their country? the point is, there are no opportunities in a third world country. that's why these people come here. do you think these people are trying to do things illegally? they're desperate and want a change. they're not hurting anyone of course, but apparently they're doing something wrong by trying to better their life. you make it out like it's very easy to get to this country from another. i'm sure these people would love to show you that it isn't even close to what you're describing. get a job and get transferred to the U.S.? come on now. a student visa? a lot of these people can't rub two nickels together, yet they should go to school?
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Post by bballmstr32 on Mar 28, 2006 15:08:26 GMT -4
My only problem with the situation is that a number of immigrants come here illegally, pay no taxes, amass a decent amount of money, and then go back to their respective countries and live a good life while there are Americans who struggle to live here permanently and are unable to get a job.
I think its great when immigrants are able to come to this country, work hard, and make a life here for themselves and their family. I feel bad for those that intend to do that but are unable to do so because it is difficult to do it the legal way.
However, like I said, there are a lot of immigrants that take advantage of the system and don't have the right intentions. If you want to be an American, fine, then pay taxes like an American. If you want to be an American, then live in this country like an American. But, a lot of them don't do that and just come here to make money illegally with the intention of going back home.
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Post by John on Mar 28, 2006 15:09:50 GMT -4
My only problem with the situation is that a number of immigrants come here illegally, pay no taxes, amass a decent amount of money, and then go back to their respective countries and live a good life while there are Americans who live here permanently, that struggle and are unable to get a job. evidence (link to a website) to this? i'm mostly looking to get educated as i've rarely heard this, if ever, when it comes to united states illegal immigrants.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 15:09:58 GMT -4
I don't think there should be any "illegal immigrants." If this is the land of the free (which it's not, don't fool yourself) then shouldn't we let anyone in?
Most of these people are taking jobs that real US citizens wouldn't want in the first place anyway.
Celtics - you say that they take jobs away from US citizens, but in reality they create more jobs for everyone.
Basic economics will show you that the more people that are here in the US will improve the job market, giving more competition, more supply, and more demand.
The more people that are here, pumping money into our economy will improve the supply of goods and services (more people, doing more jobs, equals more stuff.) And more people in the US will improve the demand for goods and services (These foreigners will need to buy books, funiture, TV's, video games, food, etc, etc, etc). Making more jobs available all over the US, in all types of fields to supply this sudden spike in demand
In my mind, the only reason for not wanting to allow foreigners into the US is racism, or ignorance of basic economics.
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Post by John on Mar 28, 2006 15:12:25 GMT -4
Most of these people are taking jobs that real US citizens wouldn't want in the first place anyway. now this i agree with 100%. i don't think people think about this at all. In my mind, the only reason for not wanting to allow foreigners into the US is racism, or ignorance of basic economics. i hate to think about this, but i'd be willing to give a lot of credence to this suspicion, sadly.
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Post by bballmstr32 on Mar 28, 2006 15:14:35 GMT -4
My only problem with the situation is that a number of immigrants come here illegally, pay no taxes, amass a decent amount of money, and then go back to their respective countries and live a good life while there are Americans who live here permanently, that struggle and are unable to get a job. evidence (link to a website) to this? i'm mostly looking to get educated as i've rarely heard this, if ever, when it comes to united states illegal immigrants. I can't give you a link and honestly don't have much time to find one. But, I've seen it and heard about it first hand on a number of occassions.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Mar 28, 2006 15:19:28 GMT -4
I live in California and i personally think this law is bullshit. The hispanics in this state control the economy. Its not like they are getting paid exceptional compared to american standards of pay. I don't know a single US citizen that would want to do most of the jobs that people coming from mexico are doing in this country, especially at the pay. Although they might be getting paid more then what they would get in their native country, No US citizen would want to do those jobs for that pay.
Another thing its ok for the US government to pass bills and laws like NAFTA, so US corporations can go to other countries and get cheap labor, and now they want to stop immigrants from coming to our country so they have to stay in their native countries and work for even less then what they would get in the US most likely at the same jobs for these American Corporations.
This is basically perpetuating the system by making the US corporations become more wealthy then they already are because the immigrants are going to be forced to work for cheaper labor in their native countries for these bullshit US corporations.
IF this is the land of oppurtunity and mixed full of different cultures why not let them stay, i say just make them legal right away. Fucking greedy americans don't know shit about other countries and what other people have to deal with, i think them taking these jobs helps them out. Most of the supposedly "illegal immigrants," send the money back to their families. Its not like their over here getting rich and becoming millionaires.
I don't even like the word illegal alien or illegal immigrant. Were all people, they have names also. We are no better then them or them better then us. Well there is my 2 cents on the subject.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Mar 28, 2006 15:26:14 GMT -4
I highly disagree with the statement that they pay no taxes. So hispanics don't buy anything at all in the US? There is taxes on everything buddy. Plus from first hand, my roommate is illegal and pays taxes. He got through a loop hole and works for a bank and he pays a ton of taxes. He probably pays more taxes then i do.
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Post by "Three Time" on Mar 28, 2006 15:34:40 GMT -4
I don't know a single US citizen that would want to do most of the jobs that people coming from mexico are doing in this country, especially at the pay. seriously im not getting into all this but this might be the dumbest thing ive ever read.... all US peeps dont have jobs bro... all US dont have $.... to funny
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Post by John on Mar 28, 2006 15:37:19 GMT -4
I don't know a single US citizen that would want to do most of the jobs that people coming from mexico are doing in this country, especially at the pay. seriously im not getting into all this but this might be the dumbest thing ive ever read.... all US peeps dont have jobs bro... all US dont have $.... to funny not too sure what's funny about it. there are many people that simply don't want to work. and many american people who feel that certain jobs are "demeaning", yet these are the very jobs that many illegal immigrants don't mind doing at all.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Mar 28, 2006 15:40:05 GMT -4
Are you kidding me buddy, how is that the dumbest line ever? I lived through this first hand buddy, i came from the poorest of poor families. Have you ever lived in a tent for 6 months before? Or maybe a storage unit because your parents had no money but to pay a 75 dollar a month fee for a storage unit.
Oh yes there is no doubt that there are US citizens that are poor and don't have jobs, but they are fucking lazy. They would rather collect their welfare check then to do some degrading hard working job, yes i lived through this first hand watching my Step dad and his friends.
So, yes they wouldn't want to do a lot of the jobs that other cultures are coming over to do.
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Post by "Three Time" on Mar 28, 2006 15:40:47 GMT -4
you cant seriously think that no one in the US would want to get paid to work? thats funny too
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