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Post by "Three Time" on Mar 28, 2006 15:59:01 GMT -4
that would be sonics
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Post by "Three Time" on Mar 28, 2006 16:00:40 GMT -4
Do you realize that the government uses ways to make those statistics greater then they should be? I learned this in a Sociological Research class. For instance take the unemployment rate, im not sure what it is off the top of my head but i'll say 5% for now. That number doesn't look to bad right, but what they don't tell you on these things is that if you just lost your job or you haven't had a job for up to 8 months, your still not considered unemployed. How could this be? If you don't have a job your not employed, which makes you unemployed, but your not counted unless its been longer then 8 months without a job. exactly it should be higher... which means even more would be open to these jobs that you call demeaning
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Post by DrIronFist on Mar 28, 2006 16:03:30 GMT -4
Im going to say that most illegals (at least Mexican illegals) are migrant workers. At least in California. And in California (which produces 70%+ of the countrys produce) I highly doubt you could get "US Citizens" to plant, cultivate and harvest this produce for what these "illegals" are getting paid.
On a personal note, im going to say that the average illegal worker from mexico is a far superior worker (based on reliablilty, workmanship, attititude and dedication) than your average non-illegal worker. (all of this is based on many years of experience in management of various retail environments)
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Post by John on Mar 28, 2006 16:03:58 GMT -4
just because there are people out of work does not mean that they would automatically take these jobs. these include stay at home housewives, professionals between jobs or students not currently going to school. are they in dire need of taking a custodial job? i can't see why they would be.
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Post by DrIronFist on Mar 28, 2006 16:04:26 GMT -4
About the unemployment rate.
What % of those unemployed would prefer to be unemployed?
Id bet its higher than you think.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Mar 28, 2006 16:04:48 GMT -4
Hey hawks, this thread was meant for you to put some time into some posts and actually write some. Not a bunch of copying/pasting and one liners. If your going to comment, stop using one word from my posts and actually write something.
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Post by "Three Time" on Mar 28, 2006 16:13:02 GMT -4
id like to be unemployed!
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Post by "Three Time" on Mar 28, 2006 16:14:38 GMT -4
no thanks... im not copying pasting anything... my point is there are american citizens that realish the jobs they have that you call demeaning...
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Post by sirphawk on Mar 28, 2006 16:58:33 GMT -4
Its a pretty bad arugment to have when you say whos going to do all the labour work etc.
My view is that "illegal immigrates" shouldn't be allowed to just jump the border without going though the proper channels.
In Australia we have 'detention centres' for illegal immigrates, where pretty much when they get caught coming over in the boat that get put in these centres in the middle of nowhere and they stay there for years and years until a desion is made of whether they can stay or not. These Centre are pretty much prisons.
I dont agree with it........but....you cant just let people live in the country without proper ID, If they live here they need to pay Income tax just like the rest of us.
Its easy for someone in my position to say coming from almost the best country in the world - But you cant open the doors to everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 17:27:21 GMT -4
You just don't get it? do you Hawks?
More "illegal" immigrants = more stuff needed for them, this creates a need to create this stuff. American people then get jobs and make money because there are jobs available because there is stuff needed.
And the income tax is around 20-25% of your salary. Everyone in the US pays somewhere between 50-60% of their income in taxes. That's 30-35% of these "illegal's" money that is going to our government. Maybe not as much as you or me - but still a huge portion of their income.
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Post by "Three Time" on Mar 28, 2006 17:39:49 GMT -4
You just don't get it? do you Hawks? More "illegal" immigrants = more stuff needed for them, this creates a need to create this stuff. American people then get jobs and make money because there are jobs available because there is stuff needed. And the income tax is around 20-25% of your salary. Everyone in the US pays somewhere between 50-60% of their income in taxes. That's 30-35% of these "illegal's" money that is going to our government. Maybe not as much as you or me - but still a huge portion of their income. you got mixed up with someone else bro... im not in this disscussion really...
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Post by DrIronFist on Mar 28, 2006 17:47:47 GMT -4
And those young Mexican girls are hawt!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 17:57:19 GMT -4
And those young Mexican girls are hawt! we'll allow them - just not the dirty old mexican men.
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Post by rjstew94 on Mar 28, 2006 18:07:59 GMT -4
Good subject and I don't think the solution is as simple as yes or no.
Like some have mentioned the jobs that a lot of the illegal's perform most americans would refuse to do. Much of the countries agricultural work is done by illegal immigrants who come here where they can make decent money to support there families back home.
You think you pay a lot for a tomato now getting rid of the illegals will drive the costs of agriculture thru the roof.
On the other hand is it fair for the legal immigrants to go through the proper procedures and pay the fees? Should we just open the borders and allow anyone in who wants?
I think bottom line the system is a mess and at some point there needed to be a crackdown on illegals to force them to follow the proper procedures to get a visa or permanent residency in the Country.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 18:12:18 GMT -4
On the other hand is it fair for the legal immigrants to go through the proper procedures and pay the fees? Should we just open the borders and allow anyone in who wants? Yes, we should open the borders to anyone who wants in. That way they can all pay their full share of taxes, and none of them would be illegal anymore. Plus it would give the American economy a boost. Problem solved.
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