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Post by sirphawk on Mar 28, 2006 18:16:12 GMT -4
It has to be done like that - theres no argument for any other way. People need Visas. If these Mexicans are so important to America and the tomato trade then the goverment maybe should make it easier and cheaper for this immigrants to come into the country.
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Post by FUCK GATOR MONTH!! O H!! on Mar 28, 2006 18:22:04 GMT -4
i mean everybody has to go through with the process and you'll be treated well, my family came over becuase of my dad's work and now im a US citizen, lived here for 22 years while my sister was born here, so why couldnt the "mexicans" take the same approach? If they want to work here like say at Taco Bell or at BK, why cant these fastfood chains offer visas to these people so they can hire them minimum wage? I dont see a problem to that. Just not having a law for these illegal immigrants was weird in it self.
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Post by rjstew94 on Mar 28, 2006 18:27:29 GMT -4
That's fine but they would need to be registered and receive a social security # like everyone else and held accountable to pay there fair share of taxes.
I manage a service industry business and we have NO illegals employed. We follow all state and federal regulations on hiring and wages.
How much money could we make by hiring all illegals and paying them under the table? This happens a lot in the service industry and gives those businesses a distinct advantage by breaking the law.
How much tax do illegals pay if there not registered and there paid under the table? Sure they still have to pay sales tax(BFD) but no income tax plus the companies employing them don't have to pay the taxes or workers compensation which is huge.
Basically for every payroll dollar we spend an additional 30% is payed in taxes. So if I pay you $10 an hour my cost is $13 an hour.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 18:28:11 GMT -4
they would do it "legally" if it were easy - but they have to jump through countless beaurocratic hoops and they likely won't even be appoved after all of that!
If the government would just allow anyone in then there wouldn't be this problem.
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Post by DSP2489 on Mar 28, 2006 18:38:59 GMT -4
basically after reading this i have to agree with sonics.......
many illegal aliens get jobs that many would rather not do, especially the college graduate or sometimes even the high school graduate
these illegal immigrants actually in my opinion boost our economy because they usually take the minimum wage jobs that always need help and get them done......hell id rather have illegal immigrants working IN the US rather than the trend of sending jobs outside of the US in outsourcing next, these illegal aliens can sometimes get paid under minimum wage and so forth and they are getting paid off the books so there is nothing to protect them if lets say they lose their hand in an accident
also with unemployment here you can just sit on your ass and do nothing and still get money for it........
but i also dont believe that just anybody should be able to go and come to the US..........i dont know of an exact solution because it is impossible to set something with such a huge illegal population already in the US
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Post by DSP2489 on Mar 28, 2006 18:42:22 GMT -4
That's fine but they would need to be registered and receive a social security # like everyone else and held accountable to pay there fair share of taxes. I manage a service industry business and we have NO illegals employed. We follow all state and federal regulations on hiring and wages. How much money could we make by hiring all illegals and paying them under the table? This happens a lot in the service industry and gives those businesses a distinct advantage by breaking the law. How much tax do illegals pay if there not registered and there paid under the table? Sure they still have to pay sales tax(BFD) but no income tax plus the companies employing them don't have to pay the taxes or workers compensation which is huge. Basically for every payroll dollar we spend an additional 30% is payed in taxes. So if I pay you $10 an hour my cost is $13 an hour. exactly i cant say open the borders to eveyone or else there will be a huge flood of immigrants coming here but from what the Nuggets said companies gain a huge advantage from these illegal immigrants....... the question really is...... should we let these companies gain that advantage?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 18:52:56 GMT -4
many of the immigrants who want to come here, are already here. The average American probably wouldn't even notice the slight increase in people if the borders were opened to anyone, except for those places very close to the borders.
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Post by FUCK GATOR MONTH!! O H!! on Mar 28, 2006 18:57:46 GMT -4
or in ohio maybe where there's like 40% white 40% black and rest from other races and now there's a huge increase in latino. And whenever you go to the same mexican restaurant over and over eagain, the waitress/waitor's different. Its obvious they're either illegal or cant stay around the area for some reason which rasies variosu suspicion
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Post by DrIronFist on Mar 28, 2006 19:04:50 GMT -4
LMAO Celts, move your ass to California and youll have a completely different perspective.
Not to make excuses for being illegal, but a large majority of these "illegals" are here "because" they cant make a living wage in Mexico, and this is the only way they can support themselves and their families. Ill be honest, if it were me, id probably do the same thing they are doing.
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Post by FUCK GATOR MONTH!! O H!! on Mar 28, 2006 19:07:02 GMT -4
oh trust me, i'll see california, my parents are moving their ass over to San Diego and apparantly my mom said there's more mexicans then fish in the San Diego coast in the souterh cali area
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Post by sativa417 on Mar 28, 2006 19:24:55 GMT -4
There's this mexican buffett restaurant down the street that i've gone to and it was really good, but they started to have parties and a club scene at night, which all the mexicans come to. They charge like 20 dollars just to get in. They make so much money from doing this that they no longer serve food. They're closed all day everyday, except for one night of the week when they do the club thing.
As for the working and jobs, Mexicans tend to shit on the average American in terms of effort, etc. My Dad owns a construction company and almost all of his workers are Mexican. He usually ends up getting rid of the white employees since they don't work near as hard, mainly because the job means more to the mexicans. The Mexicans are usually living 10 or so to a house, have almost nothing, and they still work hard as hell.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Mar 28, 2006 19:38:19 GMT -4
Now i can see where you coming from celtics. Your parents have you so inbreed to believing a certain way that you don't see anything for your self. How discrimatory can you be by saying that there are more mexicans then fish in the water. That is the most ridiculous thing ive heard.
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Post by Jogo on Mar 28, 2006 19:44:07 GMT -4
It's really hard for me to debate this subject. There are obviously pros and cons but I can't really imagine this situation from both point of views because compared to these guys I'm bloody rich. And I think we all are compared to these immigrants. It's really easy to say "fuck them, they are stealing jobs, they don't pay taxes, they increase crime etc" and doing this sitting on a nice confortable chair in front of something they most haven't seen and that is called a PC. I can't even imagine how bad their life must have been before for them to be exploited by their "bosses" and be really thankfull for that situation and work their asses off. But it's also impossible to say "let them all come in since they only do the jobs that no one else wants (which is true in Portugal too)" because then everyone would and you have no idea of those consequences because most of them are unpredictable (some good some bad).
This can't really be a Yes or No question. All we can is be thankfull for just debating it from "this side of the wall".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 20:07:55 GMT -4
because then everyone would and you have no idea of those consequences because most of them are unpredictable (some good some bad). What consequences? I can't think of any.
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Post by rjstew94 on Mar 28, 2006 20:24:12 GMT -4
So just let everyone in nobody is required to have a drivers license, insurance, pay taxes and if your an ex-felon who gives a shit about that either.
As a US citizen were held to certain legal standards as should anyone migrating to this country.
Most of my employees are of a different ethnic descent. There legal and have gone through the messed up process to get there papers. These are the people that are effected by illegal's taking there potential better jobs in areas like construction which would pay them a better wage. Hispanics typically detest illegals due to this reason.
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