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Post by Jogo on Mar 28, 2006 20:24:59 GMT -4
Yeah I know they would be more unpredictable to some than to others. But I doubt there's anyone in their perfect mind who can say every consequence is predictable. Even in a much "easier" subject like the legalization of the lighter drugs, the dutch didn't predict many of the consequences.
Stork, subject aside, I can agree with some "political" things you say but you are trully a romantic. If it was your decision the world would go on with everyone doing whatever they wanted except with maybe the main laws like murder etc. An anarchy would be perfect for you but you have no idea what that's like. Neither do I since for some reaon I don't think there's one country in the world living like that. Some rules/laws are needed and same thing goes for immigrattion although like I've explained it's really hard for me to say which rule would be better for everyone. All I know it's that your talk is nice and all but it's not realistic. Things just aren't like that. Yes the sky is blue and the water is wet but demagogy isn't really the way to go.
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Post by Zoltar on Mar 28, 2006 20:31:56 GMT -4
You dont know any consequences for letting people to freely come into the country. Well crime would go up. 35% of all prisoners are Mexicans.
I just dont think its fair that they get to come into the United States so easily while Europeans have such a hard time getting ehre. They have to work hard just to get into the country. Mexicans jsut cross the border and they're in. You notice the only people protesting were Mexicans. LAUSD is pure Mexican. They dont want the bill to go up becuase they cant get the rest of their families into the United States. I think it would be detrimental to the country to allow anyone to come in. I live near LA and although some Mexicans are normal and work hard. There are a lot who take welfare is over 400 billion dollars. They take advantage of it and I dont find it fair. When an illegal immigrant goes to the hospital. you know who pays for it. YOU DO. Hospitals close in areas filled with Mexicans with no health insurance becuase the hospital goes banrupt. I think this bill will help a lot and I am fully behind it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 20:32:38 GMT -4
I didn't say that the borders should just be unchecked with free flowing populations going wherever they please whenever they please.
The problem is that there is a law limiting how many people we allow in - and when there is a law about anything that people want, they will find some way around the law. It happens time and time again.
The answer is to just allow them in, get them a social security card, and whatever else will make it "fair." This way, we as American people don't have to spend our hard earned money on border control and enforcing these laws, AND they will all be doing their "fair share" in taxes, etc.
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Post by Jogo on Mar 28, 2006 20:35:08 GMT -4
It's like your view on the abortion thing. When it was asked the people in Portugal (those is favour lost) I voted in favor of legalization for a bunch of reasons it's not worth debatin now but I was actually very cautious about it. You on the other hand it's yes yes yes and no looking back. Doesn't it cross your mind that maybe a couple women would start aborting because, well August isn't a good month to have a child. Or because it would make them fat. Everything is very unpredictable and most of these matters aren't black or white. You have to think about the bigger picture and if you would let everyone go to whatever country they wished then maybe the US would become Mexico, Africa would be in Europe etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 20:35:11 GMT -4
There are a lot who take welfare is over 400 billion dollars. They take advantage of it and I dont find it fair. If you're illegal you don't get welfare. Many more white people take advantage of the welfare system than any other race.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 20:37:05 GMT -4
It's like your view on the abortion thing. When it was asked the people in Portugal (those is favour lost) I voted in favor of legalization for a bunch of reasons it's not worth debatin now but I was actually very cautious about it. You on the other hand it's yes yes yes and no looking back. Doesn't it cross your mind that maybe a couple women would start aborting because, well August isn't a good month to have a child. Or because it would make them fat. Everything is very unpredictable and most of these matters aren't black or white. You have to think about the bigger picture and if you would let everyone go to whatever country they wished then maybe the US would become Mexico, Africa would be in Europe etc etc. This is because I beleive that everyone should be able to control their own bodies. Abortion may be wrong in some cases, but will laws really stop anyone anyway? No.
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Post by Jogo on Mar 28, 2006 20:39:31 GMT -4
I didn't say that the borders should just be unchecked with free flowing populations going wherever they please whenever they please. The answer is to just allow them in What's the difference? Maybe I'm missing your point.
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Post by Zoltar on Mar 28, 2006 20:40:36 GMT -4
I've never seen a white person get welfare, but I think welfare should solely be for single parent homes. You say that they will be doing their fair share in taxes, well you know that we could be in for recession becuase of the baby boomers retiring which will put a heavy load on social securtiy
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Post by Jogo on Mar 28, 2006 20:45:02 GMT -4
Well, why have any laws anyway? They just get broken. Let's allow murder for crying out loud. We don't now but people still kill each other.
Like I said, it's not like that. Maybe what you're asking for is the exact opposite of what you want: a strictker control.
Laws have to exist because not everyone uses good sense and because good sense is subjective. There are mean people and people with bad intentions out there you know? If a law prevents one from doing the "wrong thing" then it served it's prupose.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 20:46:15 GMT -4
Stork, subject aside, I can agree with some "political" things you say but you are trully a romantic. If it was your decision the world would go on with everyone doing whatever they wanted except with maybe the main laws like murder etc. An anarchy would be perfect for you but you have no idea what that's like. I am not for no government because without government there will likely be roving bands of thugs tyring to call themselves government (instead of one central group of thugs.) But the government should not be involved in victimless "crimes." All of these victimless "crimes" occur whether or not there is active enforcement on them so the American people have to pay big bucks to pay for some type of enforcement to stop someone from doing something that doesn't hurt anyone. Jazz says that the illegal immigrants are stealing money from the American people because of welfare, but think of how much money is being wasted on trying to keep "illegal" immigrants out. We're wasting more money in the US house of Representatives than Mexicans stealing welfare. The house gets paid a total of almost 72 million dollars each year - and have worked for a grand total of 47 hours so far this year.
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Post by DrIronFist on Mar 28, 2006 20:46:34 GMT -4
Yeah, Zoltar, White people cant get welfare. Its a law.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 20:48:41 GMT -4
Well, why have any laws anyway? They just get broken. Let's allow murder for crying out loud. We don't now but people still kill each other. Using force against anyone to achieve a social or political goal is wrong in any circumstance. Murdering someone is using force. So is stealing, rape, arson, etc. We need laws to protect people from using force on other people because you're right - not everyone is a good person.
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Post by DSP2489 on Mar 28, 2006 20:48:56 GMT -4
basically after all this debate the bill makes sense.......it reenforces a law which is a law for a reason the thing is i feel we need these illegal workers as many work harder better and cheaper but that should take a back seat to the law the governemnt has already instill quotas on how many people can come to the US so enforcing them makes sense
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Post by DSP2489 on Mar 28, 2006 20:49:36 GMT -4
Well, why have any laws anyway? They just get broken. Let's allow murder for crying out loud. We don't now but people still kill each other. Using force against anyone to achieve a social or political goal is wrong in any circumstance. Murdering someone is using force. So is stealing, rape, arson, etc. We need laws to protect people from using force on other people because you're right - not everyone is a good person. how about using force to stop murder? to stop crime? to stop rape? to stop arson? edit: of course i dont believe that murder crime.......etc tetc are all right but i just felt like killing the argument
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Post by Jogo on Mar 28, 2006 20:49:45 GMT -4
I love this race separations and race talk although not exactly in a racist way. Maybe that's why I think "Crash" was the most deserved oscar winner I can remember of.
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