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Post by Dan on Apr 11, 2006 23:09:15 GMT -4
haha when a laker fan says kobe's MVP shows how bias he is im a kobe hater and admitting it Honestly, I don't think there's ANY way Kobe wins it. Last time a player from a team with less than 50 wins won it was 81-82. Moses Malone won it on the 46-36 Rockets. He avged 31 PPG and 14.7 RPG. The Lakers can win 45 at most. I just don't see it happening
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Post by FUCK GATOR MONTH!! O H!! on Apr 11, 2006 23:15:56 GMT -4
i can really see Nash winning this thing unless they cna have a CO MVP withthe whole friggen Detroit Pistons winning the MVP
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Post by DRE on Apr 11, 2006 23:25:06 GMT -4
If somebody uses the "if you take so-and-so off his team they won't be as good" argument I'm gon flip the hell out. How smart do you have to be to figure out that if you took the best player off of ANY team...they wouldn't be nearly as good. The Magic would suck without Dwight Howard, but nobody's talking about him for MVP?
-Dre
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Post by FUCK GATOR MONTH!! O H!! on Apr 11, 2006 23:29:30 GMT -4
isnt that becuase with or without dwight they just suck?
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Post by Boyd on Apr 11, 2006 23:51:41 GMT -4
Marion is just another product of Nash being there. Great numbers? No doubt. Better numbers than Nash. But all it takes to understand is to watch a suns game and especially a suns game without Nash. Marion isn't the reason they are winning. I'm sure of that. Just look at it, who is the focus of opp defense? Do they even care that much about Marion? So I guess Marion will have to be out for a season like Amare (and amare is twice more important than Marion) for people to see it. Haha, I watch Suns games all the time. And to say that about Marion is just nuts really. The guy is #3 in the league in rebounding, and is shooting an unreal 51% from the field. That is on Nash? I'm not taking anything away from Nash, but to say that Marion is a product of Nash is just crazy. Nash needs Marion around just as Marion needs Nash around...if they are going to win. Not to mention the guy is playing out of position, and that means he has to guard players that are bigger, and are playing their real positions. To sum it all up, Nash is VERY important to that team. And for them to be successfull, he needs to be there. And same goes for Shawn Marion. As for the MVP race it could come down to about 6 different guys. Kobe, Wade, Bron, Nash, Dirk, and Billups. If I had to choose one right now it would have to be Mr. Bryant. A lot of people don't like him, and that sways their vote against him, but he has done wonders for that team. He has that team on his shoulders (in the Western Conference) and is winning games. Call him a ballhog all you want, but he does what it takes to win. The rest follow him in no order really.
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Post by John on Apr 11, 2006 23:56:15 GMT -4
To sum it all up, Nash is VERY important to that team. And for them to be successfull, he needs to be there. And same goes for Shawn Marion. haha...lol...whatever, give it a name. meh. you'd have been saying this about amare stoudemire if marion was the one out with the injury. not just you though, a lot of people.
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Post by Boyd on Apr 12, 2006 0:02:05 GMT -4
To sum it all up, Nash is VERY important to that team. And for them to be successfull, he needs to be there. And same goes for Shawn Marion. haha...lol...whatever, give it a name. meh. you'd have been saying this about amare stoudemire if marion was the one out with the injury. not just you though, a lot of people. Yeah, your right. Nash grabs the boards and hands them to Marion. Nash some how shoots 51% from the field dressed like Marion. Nash plays defense for Marion on players bigger then him and he is already out of position. I said I'm not taking anything away from Nash, he is good and they need him. But when someone says Marion is a product of Nash, that's crazy. He is very important to the Suns season this year.
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Post by Boyd on Apr 12, 2006 0:03:54 GMT -4
And as Cavs stated earlier. You have to give a lot of credit to the Suns coaching staff and front office for bringing in the right kind of players to keep running. That does help.
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Post by John on Apr 12, 2006 0:05:27 GMT -4
haha...lol...whatever, give it a name. meh. you'd have been saying this about amare stoudemire if marion was the one out with the injury. not just you though, a lot of people. Yeah, your right. Nash grabs the boards and hands them to Marion. Nash some how shoots 51% from the field dressed like Marion. Nash plays defense for Marion on players bigger then him and he is already out of position. I said I'm not taking anything away from Nash, he is good and they need him. But when someone says Marion is a product of Nash, that's crazy. He is very important to the Suns season this year. are you talking about marion's personal statistics only?
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Post by Dan on Apr 12, 2006 0:05:55 GMT -4
Honestly, I think saying Diaw is a product of Nash is a bit crazy too. Again, does Nash hand him 7 rebounds a game? Does Nash richochet the ball off Diaw into some else's hands for an assist?
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Post by Boyd on Apr 12, 2006 0:08:46 GMT -4
Yeah, your right. Nash grabs the boards and hands them to Marion. Nash some how shoots 51% from the field dressed like Marion. Nash plays defense for Marion on players bigger then him and he is already out of position. I said I'm not taking anything away from Nash, he is good and they need him. But when someone says Marion is a product of Nash, that's crazy. He is very important to the Suns season this year. are you talking about marion's personal statistics only? It's obvious I am. Everyone says he's a product of Nash being there. Well hell, if Nash is that damn good to where he makes another player that damn good the Suns are going to win the Finals until he retires. Everyone knows Nash's stats...that's why he is being considered for MVP. Maybe no one knew Marions stats...there has to be some reason why he is called a product of Nash.
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Post by Boyd on Apr 12, 2006 0:09:33 GMT -4
Honestly, I think saying Diaw is a product of Nash is a bit crazy too. Again, does Nash hand him 7 rebounds a game? Does Nash richochet the ball off Diaw into some else's hands for an assist? I agree. How about a product of the system in Phoenix?
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Post by John on Apr 12, 2006 0:12:41 GMT -4
are you talking about marion's personal statistics only? It's obvious I am. Everyone says he's a product of Nash being there. Well hell, if Nash is that damn good to where he makes another player that damn good the Suns are going to win the Finals until he retires. Everyone knows Nash's stats...that's why he is being considered for MVP. Maybe no one knew Marions stats...there has to be some reason why he is called a product of Nash. no, actually it isn't obvious at all. however, that makes your arguments a lot less coherent. just trying to remember how marion did two years ago without nash? maybe that's a very easy reason to think of to see why he's being called a product of nash.
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Post by Dan on Apr 12, 2006 0:14:36 GMT -4
19 PPG, 9 RPG, 2 SPG.
Not to mention, D'Antoni took over midseason
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Post by Boyd on Apr 12, 2006 0:16:43 GMT -4
however, that makes your arguments a lot less coherent. just trying to remember how marion did two years ago without nash? maybe that's a very easy reason to think of to see why he's being called a product of nash. This was covered in an earlier post there big guy. Players don't get better? Did you look at his stats before Nash? He still scored, still played defense, and still was a very good player. He's improved on his rebounding and FG %. Only because of Nash though.
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