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Post by Boyd on Apr 16, 2006 18:34:55 GMT -4
I think this one should be a pretty good discussion.
In the public school systems, it is mandatory that EVERY child participate in the Pledge of Allegiance. Is that right of the public school system to do that? Also, should there be prayer in Public Schools?
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Post by Zoltar on Apr 16, 2006 19:46:12 GMT -4
You should be allowed to pray, It doesnt bother anyone. THe pledge of allegiance should be done by everyone. If your not American you shouldnt have to do it, but it shows your loyalty to the country
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2006 19:47:33 GMT -4
no. I'm too tired in the morning.
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Post by Zoltar on Apr 16, 2006 19:50:39 GMT -4
you can just move your mouth
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2006 19:53:35 GMT -4
You should be allowed to pray, It doesnt bother anyone. THe pledge of allegiance should be done by everyone. If your not American you shouldnt have to do it, but it shows your loyalty to the country Very well said
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2006 20:32:47 GMT -4
You shouldn't have to say the pledge allegiance if you don't want to, which I'm sure that several students don't. But in a government funded school I have no problem with the teacher making the choice if he or she wants to lead the class in a pledge of allegiance if they feel like they want to.
Of course this all leads to the argument that the government should get out of the school system all together. The private sector could provide a better education for the students, a better living wage for their teachers - and then they wouldn't have any right to tell people if they can or cannot pray either. It would be up to the school
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2006 20:33:47 GMT -4
You should be allowed to pray, It doesnt bother anyone. THe pledge of allegiance should be done by everyone. If your not American you shouldnt have to do it, but it shows your loyalty to the country You can pray if you want to. The school just can't lead a prayer. That makes sense if you beleive in the separation of church and state. But you probably don't - and you want to force everyone to become a christian.
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2006 20:37:59 GMT -4
Yah. Dunkindan no doubt woulda been furious if Jazz GM didn't say that
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Post by nbthriller80 on Apr 16, 2006 22:23:38 GMT -4
Prayer definantly should not be mandatory in my opinion. That's just rediculous. School is to get an education, not for prayer. Thats what church is for.
The Pledge of Allegiance I have no problem with. If you're a US citizen, you should be respectful and show pride in your country. Doesn't mean you have to agree with everything that's going on in the government, but atleast show respect for who you are, where you're from, and the past men and women who helped give you freedom, and the right to a proper education in the first place.
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2006 22:31:35 GMT -4
I think where it comes under conflict is the "under god" part. And also protest
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2006 23:04:53 GMT -4
just one opinion...
i'm very opposed to the 'under god' section of the pledge. if that was taken out, then i think any child in an american school should say it. but with 'under god' in it, i'm against it.
it is right of the public school system to do this though since they are funded by the state government and in turn the federal government with grants.
school prayer never, ever should be allowed in a public or non-religious private school.
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Post by nbthriller80 on Apr 17, 2006 0:02:46 GMT -4
Simple solution - say the PoA, and when it gets to "Under God", stop and resume once it's past.
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Post by bucksgm on Apr 17, 2006 0:13:23 GMT -4
The United States of America is founded on the premise that all men are created equal, and all deserve certain freedoms. Freedom of the press, freedom from religious persecution, freedom of assembly, the right to redress grievances, and freedom of speech are guaranteed by our First Amendment. Within that freedom of speech is the freedom from speaking; in this country, one should never have to pledge allegiance to the flag or to the nation -- the very act runs counter to the foundation of the country.
If you want to, do so, by all means. If you feel that allegiance must be repeated every day, fine. But do not force all children to do it every single day. Teaching children blind patriotism is not a healthy thing. Blind patriotism itself is not a healthy thing. Respect the country, respect its leaders and history, but do not venerate it.
As for prayer, individual students should be free to pray when they wish. I would hope we would never get to the point in our society where we would try to stop an individual from praying. Collective prayer in a public school should not be allowed -- but I have no problem with a "minute of silence" where a kid can pray/meditate/read/sleep however they see fit.
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Post by DRE on Apr 17, 2006 0:15:55 GMT -4
No and no...case closed.
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Post by Zoltar on Apr 17, 2006 1:03:19 GMT -4
the question just says "should there be prayer in Public Schools?" not saying mandatory just stating if there should be.
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