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Post by Boyd on Jul 30, 2006 13:32:01 GMT -4
Are rookies in all sports (especially the NFL) getting paid too much? Do they really deserve all that money when they have yet to prove themselves on the pro level, or are they worthy of it because of the excitement and promise they bring to a team?
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Post by chang on Jul 30, 2006 13:46:51 GMT -4
Yes! Just look at Vince Young's deal. The kid isn't expected to even succeed for the first 3 seasons in the NFL. And some think that his mechanics are way too bad to succeed at all. Yet he's going to make 14.9 million this season just on bonuses and is guaranteed 28 million. If he busts, that's 28 million straight down the drain not including appearance bonuses and etc. And look at Alex Smith. Sure, you're paying more for the upside but you still have be pay a good $6 million for the kid to throw interception after interception and probably won't ever succeed until there's more pieces around him that could take a good 4-5 years to achieve. And Mario Williams. He got veteren money. Again upside but still you're willing to gamble $28 million guaranteed plus extra bonuses and if he ends up being the next Courtney Brown, you've wasted 6 years and a bunch of money on a player you don't want anymore.
And in the NBA, you pay good money in the top of the draft. There's a 60% chance that player will be nothing more than just a solid starter. The NBA is getting smarter with the 2 years guaranteed, 2 years of options but still, even if a player does bust, they aren't going willing to admit that they screwed up.
Rookies shouldn't be getting paid more than veterens. Their upside might be high but there's a greater chance the player will end up not being a superstar.
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Post by bucksgm on Jul 30, 2006 13:49:36 GMT -4
Just as an interesting note -- Vernon Davis just signed his new deal with the 49ers. He's never played a single snap in the NFL, yet because of the scale of rookie contracts, he is now the NFl's highest-paid tight end. More than Shockey, Gates, Gonzalez, Witten, any of them.
That's obviously wrong.
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Post by specialk1307 on Jul 30, 2006 13:54:10 GMT -4
Have to agree with chang and wizbucks here. The rookies are given these hige signing bonuses and it gets to the point where people are more worried about the signing bonus money given on how high you are selected in the draft over which team you are selected by or something of that nature.
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Post by Dan on Jul 30, 2006 14:10:56 GMT -4
I don't think rookie salaries for NBA are bad at all. Because of how they do it, there's not really a whole ton of negotiating and the rookie contracts are towards the lower end of the contract spectrum.
In football, definitely. The teams want and need that player so bad they're willing to pay outta the ass.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2006 14:34:24 GMT -4
NBA has it right - they have a set scale of pay for all rookies, and if you don't like it too bad.
NFL needs something like that, but it's harder withoout guarenteed contracts like there are in the NBA, plus some positions get more than other positions just because a good QB is much more valuable than a good FS.
I think that the NFL should put a cap on rookie spending though, something like the average of the top 10 players in the league at that position. That way spending won't get out of hand, and you'll never see a rookie be the highest paid player at his position.
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Post by chang on Jul 30, 2006 14:42:53 GMT -4
The NBA is going up every so slightly and soon the #1 overall will get 8-10 million by their 4th year, some could deserve it but most don't yet teams still take the option cause they don't want to admit a bust.
Dwight Howard will get a 6 million 4th year if he doesn't renegotiate..
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Post by chang on Jul 30, 2006 21:43:25 GMT -4
Ten years from now, there will be the first $100 million rookie contract (Peyton Manning money).
That's how ridiculous it is getting higher each year.
By giving them so much money, they have nothing to prove after their college days. They would have life savings by sucking for a few years.
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Post by Zoltar on Jul 31, 2006 0:41:14 GMT -4
yes because i think a lot of it is hype, and in a job you have to prove yourself to be able to move up in the pay
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Post by Dan on Jul 31, 2006 0:49:48 GMT -4
yes because i think a lot of it is hype, and in a job you have to prove yourself to be able to move up in the pay Football players disagree
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Post by DSP2489 on Jul 31, 2006 9:17:46 GMT -4
thats the reason why the NBA enacted teh rookie scale in the first place contracts were getting out of hand as players demanded more and more money or threatened to not play i think with the current situation of rookies getting huge signing bonuses and such..........a rookie scale sounds resonable there at least should be some sort of cap on it
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Post by specialk1307 on Jul 31, 2006 18:55:05 GMT -4
What about the NFL moving to guaranteed contracts. Do we think that would ever happen?
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Post by chang on Jul 31, 2006 19:55:36 GMT -4
Most contracts are half guarantee, 1/4 signing bonus, 1/4 performance/appearance bonuses in the NFL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2006 20:23:39 GMT -4
What about the NFL moving to guaranteed contracts. Do we think that would ever happen? That is a disaster waiting to happen with all of the injuries combined with the hard cap in the NFL. Every team would soon be paying 1/2 of their salary to guys who are either retired or injured
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Post by chang on Aug 23, 2006 14:28:49 GMT -4
how about another?
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