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Post by Jogo on Apr 14, 2008 8:34:12 GMT -4
Exactly. The MVP is the most valuable player. No one is more valuable to his team than LeBron. He is the best player on a team that doesn't have anything close to players like David West or Pau Gasol or Lamar Odom or Paul Pierce. The Cavs are 0-6 without him. No one is more valuable and if you weren't so biased you could easily see that. That's why he clearly should be in contention for the award.
That being said I don't think he'll win. He's the best player in the NBA right now but he won't win the MVP because his team record just isn't good enough. I think Kobe will win and it's deserved because at the age of 29, if it's not now that he has the record to back it up, when will it be? I just think Kobe fans are funny because I don't think anyone else is as biased as you guys. For you it's Kobe hands down when there are clearly other good possibilities. For you it would be Kobe, even if it wasn't for anyone else. The same guys that are saying LeBron can't be dispite having the best stats because of the team record were probably saying Kobe should have been the last 2 years when he had better stats but not a great team record. That's why Kobe fans making a case for Kobe, can't get much credit. Only a few sarcastic laughs. Of course that doesn't include every Kobe fan as we can see in this thread. But lots of them are like Bish.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 14, 2008 11:16:06 GMT -4
Laker fans are biased because they are calling for consistency in MVP voting? You are right, Kobe Bryant was very valuable and put up the stats worthy of an MVP the past couple of years. Despite that the highest he finished was third in MVP voting due to his team's record not matching up to previous MVPs. Lebron James would not even be in the playoffs if his team in the West. That's not an exaggeration. At 44-36, The Cavs would be battling the Kings for the 10th seed. Give me a break.
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Post by Jogo on Apr 14, 2008 14:03:33 GMT -4
Exactly. The Cavs record isn't good enough. That's why LeBron won't win it. And that's why Kobe didn't win the previous 2 seasons. I agree with Kobe winning it this season because I believe record is decisive when handing the MVP and he shouldn't be beat by Chris Paul who just had his first great season (and no matter what people say, you aren't judged just by current season). But what you can't have is different arguments different seasons. If you tell me that you wouldn't vote Kobe the last two season when he had better stats and worse record than you are consistent and can claim LeBron James shouldn't be in contention. But since we know most Kobe fans were crying at this stage of the last 2 seasons that record shouldn't be decisive and Kobe should win it, then for the sake of consitency, you'll have to vote LeBron James in this one as individually he clearly had the best season among all in the NBA. That's all.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 14, 2008 14:22:16 GMT -4
Trust me if Kobe had two MVPs (or even one) already no Laker fan would care if the award went to Lebron this year.
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Post by Bish on Apr 14, 2008 14:23:58 GMT -4
I don't know where you think you found my secret MVP ballots the past couple of seasons, but I don't think Kobe was nearly as deserving then as he is this year because of what you said - his team wasn't as good. Yes, I am a Lakers fan, but I generally don't let that cloud my judgment in basketball debates. I do think he got less consideration than he deserved then, mostly just because everyone hated him for a few years.
P.S. - Am I the only one who thought that NBA playoffs commercial that was half Shaq's face and half Kobe's face put together while they walking was really really weird?
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Post by cupcrazy01 on Apr 14, 2008 14:59:25 GMT -4
Paul > KG > Bryant > James >>>>> The Field
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 14, 2008 19:56:49 GMT -4
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Post by hurricanes656 on Apr 14, 2008 21:21:33 GMT -4
i have to say cp3 for mvp because he is the most valuable player on his team i kno lebron is valuable to the cavs but look wat cp3 has done for chandler and david west and peja after c-webb and everyone left those really good kings teams peja struggled chandler was written off as a bust and no one even knew west cp3 has come in this league and has turned the hornets around 180 hes revitalized pejas and chandler career, and is a major reason why david west is an all star
i wont be surprised to see kobe or lebron or even KG win mvp but if i had to choose it would be cp3
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Post by Dan on Apr 14, 2008 22:36:27 GMT -4
I'm going to go with CP3 on this one.
Is Kobe an amazing talent who deserves to get MVP just as much as CP3? Yes. The main difference between Kobe and Paul is that the Lakers were a good team before they got Gasol, ever since then, they've become a great team. If you look at the Hornets, they were a bad team last year, but kept together virtually the same team. Now with Paul's maturation and court leadership (without any rip-off one sided mid-season deals for superstars to boot), they've become a great team.
That's what does it for me right there. While I don't think the Hornets will do much in the playoffs this year, as far as regular season goes, my vote goes to Chris Paul.
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Post by Bish on May 7, 2008 1:44:18 GMT -4
Lebron only got one 1st place vote and finished in a distant 4th. I guess the voters knew what they were doing this time around.
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Post by stevegamer on May 7, 2008 2:56:10 GMT -4
Maybe, maybe not. Phil Jackson has cenrtainly forgotten Michael Jordan ever existed, based on his quotes.
I think it should've been Paul.
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Post by Jogo on May 7, 2008 6:37:13 GMT -4
Voters knew what they were doing this time around just as they knew before. Or at least we can say they've been consistent something Lakers biased fans like Bish fail to be. LeBron didn't win it because of his team record just like Kobe didn't win it before because his team record was never this good. I think team record being the key should be obvious to everyone by now.
As for Paul, I thought Kobe would win it and still do since playoffs don't count but if they did, Paul would probably be the front runner now. Kobe has been great but Paul has been amazing. At least I've been more impressed by how he's playing. Especially how he does it all without turning it over dispite all the attention stars get from defenses.
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Post by sirphawk on May 7, 2008 10:44:01 GMT -4
kobe did win it
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on May 7, 2008 11:38:29 GMT -4
Laker biased fans like Bish? LMAO. Did you even read his post?
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Post by Jogo on May 7, 2008 12:43:42 GMT -4
Did you? Yeah, you probably did but we know you aren't very smart so I'll explain it to you. Try to keep up: What do you think he ment by "voters knew what they were doing this time around"? Obviously saying that other times they didn't or the sentence would have ended after the word "doing". Got it? You can't keep struggling like that man. I'm pretty sure if you go back in the thread you'll find out we already had this discussion. Exactly. The Cavs record isn't good enough. That's why LeBron won't win it. And that's why Kobe didn't win the previous 2 seasons. I agree with Kobe winning it this season because I believe record is decisive when handing the MVP and he shouldn't be beat by Chris Paul who just had his first great season (and no matter what people say, you aren't judged just by current season). But what you can't have is different arguments different seasons. If you tell me that you wouldn't vote Kobe the last two season when he had better stats and worse record than you are consistent and can claim LeBron James shouldn't be in contention. But since we know most Kobe fans were crying at this stage of the last 2 seasons that record shouldn't be decisive and Kobe should win it, then for the sake of consitency, you'll have to vote LeBron James in this one as individually he clearly had the best season among all in the NBA. That's all.
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