charliesarmy
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Post by charliesarmy on Aug 9, 2007 18:53:37 GMT -4
Possible,lol but not likely. Mcgwire was a tiny guy when he came up, and I think he had like 40 hr's when he didn't even look that big. I think these guys think that steroids made these guys super HR kings, I think it helped slightly, but if you hit a HR a certain amount of feet, steroids or not its still going out. Steroids doesn't give bonds better hand-eye coordination, and he has great hand-eye coordination. Maybe some of those Hr's that were barely out might have only made it to the warning track, but certainly not most of his, just a small %. McGwire hit 49 his rookie year. A majority of fans see the record as tainted. I am getting a kick out of everyones projections and guesses of what Bonds would have had if he was not enhanced by his flaxseed oil. Sadly, we will never know how well he could have done with out cheating the game and for this reason he and his records are tainted in my mind That and I think he is a prick, but that has nothing to do with his stats
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2007 18:54:44 GMT -4
You just contradicted yourself. You said that Bonds doubled his homer total from steroids. Then you said that he could have possibly got 63 or 64....which is 10 fewer than he actually got. You aren't reading. In Bond's prime, he could have hit 63 or 64. MAYBE. Edit: I have no idea why it won't bold the "At their prime, no." Players peak at different times. Bonds' prime was in his late 30's.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Aug 9, 2007 19:08:27 GMT -4
well if he peaked at a different time, why didn't he keep stealing bases?
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kidtwentytwo
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Post by kidtwentytwo on Aug 9, 2007 19:14:48 GMT -4
You aren't reading. In Bond's prime, he could have hit 63 or 64. MAYBE. Edit: I have no idea why it won't bold the "At their prime, no." Players peak at different times. Bonds' prime was in his late 30's. It's also funny how he "peaked" right after he had an injury plagued year. Bonds is somewhat of a tragic figure. He's got a family that he obviously cares a lot for just like everyone else...so he's not a total asshole. He did what a lot of other players did during this period of time and went from one of the best players in the game into being a super-human player. He just so happened to break two of sports most cherished records, but unlike McGwire who probably could have broken Aaron's record but retired, Bonds went relentlously after it. He brings a lot of the negativity on himself and will forever be remembered as a player who cheated to break the record...whether he or anyone else likes it or not. In a few years it probably won't matter...because A-Rod is going to top Bonds and it's going to be an entirely different atmosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2007 19:18:56 GMT -4
So Arod peaked when he was 22? Beltran when he was 27? Sosa when he was 26? Vlad when he was 26?
Many players stop stealing bases later in their careers - that doesn't mean their past their prime. It means that they are focusing on different things in their prime.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2007 19:20:44 GMT -4
Players peak at different times. Bonds' prime was in his late 30's. In a few years it probably won't matter...because A-Rod is going to top Bonds and it's going to be an entirely different atmosphere. I wouldn't be so sure: sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2953302
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Post by Jogo on Aug 9, 2007 19:36:55 GMT -4
If everybody cheats is it still considered cheating? lol
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Post by Seattle Slough on Aug 9, 2007 19:39:51 GMT -4
So lets just wipe out the last 20 years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2007 19:44:00 GMT -4
You'd also have to wipe out the cocaine era of the 80's, the greenies era between the 50's and 80's, and the spitball era of the early 20th century.
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charliesarmy
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Post by charliesarmy on Aug 9, 2007 19:51:51 GMT -4
So Arod peaked when he was 22? Beltran when he was 27? Sosa when he was 26? Vlad when he was 26? Many players stop stealing bases later in their careers - that doesn't mean their past their prime. It means that they are focusing on different things in their prime. Bonds just happened to be focusing on his jealousy of McGwire and Flaxseed oil
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Post by Jogo on Aug 9, 2007 19:53:46 GMT -4
So lets just wipe out the last 20 years. You could start by learning to wipe out your ass cause it really smells
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2007 19:55:27 GMT -4
Most duel threats tend to choose power over speed after they hit 30 or so. Bonds stopped stealing bases when he was 33.
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Post by chang on Aug 9, 2007 21:17:15 GMT -4
So Arod peaked when he was 22? Beltran when he was 27? Sosa when he was 26? Vlad when he was 26? Many players stop stealing bases later in their careers - that doesn't mean their past their prime. It means that they are focusing on different things in their prime. Actually A-Rod has been consistently good so far in his career. And look at those numbers. Funny how they're around 26-27. Simply, no athlete peaks or gets better when they're in their late 30s. The body doesn't work like that. They start to decline from the wear and tear the game has taken on them.
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Post by politicianspock on Aug 9, 2007 21:18:18 GMT -4
You aren't reading. In Bond's prime, he could have hit 63 or 64. MAYBE. Edit: I have no idea why it won't bold the "At their prime, no." Players peak at different times. Bonds' prime was in his late 30's. Name one other player in the history of MLB that peaked at the same age Bonds did.
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Post by Jogo on Aug 10, 2007 6:24:02 GMT -4
Even Aaron was able to congratulate and be happy for the Barry. Nice gesture.
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