mancowmilitia
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Post by mancowmilitia on Aug 10, 2007 7:09:57 GMT -4
Even Aaron was able to congratulate and be happy for the Barry. Nice gesture. Not really. Bud Selig called him and asked him to do it. Aaron's a classy guy, unlike Bonds, and gave in to the pressure of the moment.
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Post by Jogo on Aug 10, 2007 7:56:33 GMT -4
Ok. He didn't. The video was made up or something that he just gave in to because he is an idiot that does what the others ask him to do despite going against what he believes and this article is also made up. Especially the quote: ""Eventually, if I happen to see him somewhere, I'd probably say something to him," Aaron was quoted as saying on the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Web site Thursday night. "To be honest, I'm as happy for him as anybody."" I have no idea why I keep believing in what I don't actually listen live but I'm glad that there's people out there ready to set the facts straight.
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Post by Jogo on Aug 10, 2007 8:07:33 GMT -4
Why is Barry considered such a bad guy? I mean it can't be just because he "cheated". Everyone was doing it in baseball back then and everyone has made stuff in their lifes they shouldn't have. It's not just hypocrisie so why is he so hated on outside of San Francisco? I ask because I'm not really inside the sport and there must be something else besides the steroids thing.
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Post by politicianspock on Aug 10, 2007 10:09:23 GMT -4
Aaron was asleep when Barry broke the record. Selig had Bonds pre-tape that message. As for Aaron's opinion on the situation, he said this back in 2004: "Drugs won't help you hit the ball. But can they make you recuperate consistently enough to hit the kind of home runs that these guys are hitting?" Aaron paused, sighed and added, "Let me say this. Any way you look at it, it's wrong." Link: sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1939208
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Post by charliesarmy on Aug 10, 2007 11:05:16 GMT -4
Why is Barry considered such a bad guy? I mean it can't be just because he "cheated". Everyone was doing it in baseball back then and everyone has made stuff in their lifes they shouldn't have. It's not just hypocrisie so why is he so hated on outside of San Francisco? I ask because I'm not really inside the sport and there must be something else besides the steroids thing. Barry* is considered a bad guy for a lot of reasons. He* is considered a poor teamate. He* has had this reputation since he played at Arizona state, he* has always been a terrible locker room guy. He* also made a lot of remarks that could be considered racist. That and no clear thinking person believes his* 'flaxseed oil' excuse. It would look like the only place he* is really loved is in San Fransico but that is even a stretch. A reporter from San Fran was on the radio the other night and he said that Barry* is loved in the ball park at San Fran. The further you get away from the park the less he* is liked in the bay area. This is all coming from a die hard McGwire fan. I grew up collecting all of his cards and even tried that pidgen toe'd stance he used(I however struggled to get the ball into the outfield let alone out of the ball park). When McGwire sat and refused to talk about the past in front of that comittee I was pissed. I knew then that Big Mac had cheated the game, and I lost a lot of respect for him. Both McGwire and Bonds* cheated the game and neither has stepped up and tried to better the situation. For that reason I think they are disgraces and in my eyes and many others. Bonds* may hold the record in the stat book but Aaron is still the Homerun king. Lastly, I love the arguement of former players using cocain and drinking too much. The players who were involved in this never disgraced the game of baseball. Some completely disgraced themselves and made baseball look bad however the game was not truely disgraced until schmucks like Bonds*, McGwire, Palmero and Canseco tried to find an unfair edge by juicing up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2007 11:58:22 GMT -4
Why is Barry considered such a bad guy? I mean it can't be just because he "cheated". Everyone was doing it in baseball back then and everyone has made stuff in their lifes they shouldn't have. It's not just hypocrisie so why is he so hated on outside of San Francisco? I ask because I'm not really inside the sport and there must be something else besides the steroids thing. He's considered a bad guy because he hates talking to the media - and he comes off like a jerk in many of his interviews. Since this is the only time most people really see Barry, they get it stuck in their heads that since he's a bad guy to the media, he also must be a bad guy in real life, and a bad teammate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2007 11:59:22 GMT -4
Can someone tell me why the use of amphetamines is just fine, but the use of steroids makes you a horrible person who taints the game?
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charliesarmy
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Post by charliesarmy on Aug 10, 2007 13:17:48 GMT -4
Why is Barry considered such a bad guy? I mean it can't be just because he "cheated". Everyone was doing it in baseball back then and everyone has made stuff in their lifes they shouldn't have. It's not just hypocrisie so why is he so hated on outside of San Francisco? I ask because I'm not really inside the sport and there must be something else besides the steroids thing. He's considered a bad guy because he hates talking to the media - and he comes off like a jerk in many of his interviews. Since this is the only time most people really see Barry, they get it stuck in their heads that since he's a bad guy to the media, he also must be a bad guy in real life, and a bad teammate. His reputation as being a poor teamate has little to do with the media. Was there a lot of media coverage in Arizona during his college years. You are fan so it is great that you are trying to stick up for him but I think he is a prick and it has nothing to do with how the media protrays him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2007 13:52:45 GMT -4
He's considered a bad guy because he hates talking to the media - and he comes off like a jerk in many of his interviews. Since this is the only time most people really see Barry, they get it stuck in their heads that since he's a bad guy to the media, he also must be a bad guy in real life, and a bad teammate. His reputation as being a poor teamate has little to do with the media. Was there a lot of media coverage in Arizona during his college years. You are fan so it is great that you are trying to stick up for him but I think he is a prick and it has nothing to do with how the media protrays him Oh really? So you've met him and hung out with him huh? That's pretty cool.
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charliesarmy
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Post by charliesarmy on Aug 10, 2007 14:47:57 GMT -4
His reputation as being a poor teamate has little to do with the media. Was there a lot of media coverage in Arizona during his college years. You are fan so it is great that you are trying to stick up for him but I think he is a prick and it has nothing to do with how the media protrays him Oh really? So you've met him and hung out with him huh? That's pretty cool. hmmmm....... I wonder if Mike Sweeney would consider him a good teammate? Or if Jeff Kent believes Bonds was having a roid rage moment when he faught with Kent in the dugout? When Bonds was kicked off of his Arizona State baseball team the coach asked his teamates to vote to see if they wanted him back. The players voted 22-2 against bringing him back and the coach veto'd it and brought him back anyway. All media hype??? Colin Cowherd would have a blast with you on his radio show...you are one of those schmuck fans that cant find anything wrong in who they root for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2007 14:55:46 GMT -4
So two ex-teammates and a bunch of college kids 20 something years ago didn't like the guy? Big deal? There are plenty of teammates who do like Bonds. Does the media ever talk about them? No.
I'm not saying that there's nothing wrong with Barry Bonds, but he's the scapegoat for the entire steroids fiasco, and people hate him largely because he hates the media - and the media is the average fans only look into MLB player's lives.
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Post by charliesarmy on Aug 10, 2007 15:55:12 GMT -4
So two ex-teammates and a bunch of college kids 20 something years ago didn't like the guy? Big deal? There are plenty of teammates who do like Bonds. Does the media ever talk about them? No. I'm not saying that there's nothing wrong with Barry Bonds, but he's the scapegoat for the entire steroids fiasco, and people hate him largely because he hates the media - and the media is the average fans only look into MLB player's lives. So we dont know whats really going on with Barry but you know why people really dont like him...... Man I wish I was all knowing I hate Barry because he is a prick who disgraced the game...the same reason why I can no longer stand McGwire, Canseco and any other guy who has disgraced the game. Yes, I am sure there are some teamates who do like Barry...He did afterall get two votes from his teamates in college. But I am sure it is the media holding these teamates down and preventing them from saying he is an OK guy. And it is not that Mark Sweeney did not like Bonds.... I think he was just a little surprised when Bonds blamed him for the failed drug test in 2006. Bonds advised that it was from something he found in Mark Sweeney's locker. Thats a great teamate for ya
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2007 16:02:44 GMT -4
You are the one who is all-knowing it seems. You know exactly who did, and who didn't do steroids during the era.
Personally. I don't have any idea who did, and who didn't. It's pretty clear that a few guys did, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to hate them more than the rest of the players just because they were the best of the bunch.
The entire game of baseball had people "disgracing" it through steroids in the 90's and early 2000's. It has also been "disgraced" by the use of amphetamines. Also by the use of spitballs. Also by the use of corked bats. Also by the use of stealing signs. Also by the use of sandpaper.
Cheating is a part of baseball, whether or not you want to admit it. People have been cheating in baseball since the 1800's. If you disregard one player for taking performance enhancing drugs then you have to disregard the entire era. If you disregard the entire era for using performance enhancing drugs then you have to disregard the prior eras as well for the use of greenies, spitballs, sandpaper, and stealing signs.
Or you can be narrow-minded, and just dislike those who the media tells you to dislike.
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Post by politicianspock on Aug 10, 2007 16:40:21 GMT -4
Who is disregarding what others have done? When they get caught, they get vilified for it. You seem to think that because Bonds hasn't tested positive, he hasn't been caught and therefor should be treated as innocent as those where the jury is still out on what they did or didn't do. BS! The evidence is overwhelming that Bonds did them. In the court of public opinion he's been caught red handed. He's not being treated differently. He's as guilty as all the rest who have been caught disgracing the game. All of them get vilified. Again, the amount of heat he's getting for disgracing the game corelates to his accomplishments within the game. Ken Caminiti disgraced the game and has been vilified for it, but you don't hear much about him because he didn't accomplish a whole lot when he played.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2007 16:55:41 GMT -4
So you're of the opinion: If I don't know about it, it didn't happen - and doesn't matter.
No one's answered my question about amphetamines yet either.
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