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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Mar 16, 2009 17:12:50 GMT -4
Right man, hows that Monta Elis max contract working out for ya? Shit....... I would take Monta Ellis on a max deal. He made a mistake, and this season is a recovery season. Saying that, he is still one of the most explosive young talents in the league. He is still on par with the Devin Harris, Derreck Rose, and OJ Mayo group. They are the second tier of top guards, behind Paul and Deron Williams. And that second tier is worth a max deal If you offered Ellis to any of those teams for those players you just named they would hang up the phone before you stopped talking.
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Post by J-Sav on Mar 16, 2009 17:46:36 GMT -4
Shit....... I would take Monta Ellis on a max deal. He made a mistake, and this season is a recovery season. Saying that, he is still one of the most explosive young talents in the league. He is still on par with the Devin Harris, Derreck Rose, and OJ Mayo group. They are the second tier of top guards, behind Paul and Deron Williams. And that second tier is worth a max deal If you offered Ellis to any of those teams for those players you just named they would hang up the phone before you stopped talking. LMAO!! True.
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Mar 16, 2009 17:53:43 GMT -4
Shit....... I would take Monta Ellis on a max deal. He made a mistake, and this season is a recovery season. Saying that, he is still one of the most explosive young talents in the league. He is still on par with the Devin Harris, Derreck Rose, and OJ Mayo group. They are the second tier of top guards, behind Paul and Deron Williams. And that second tier is worth a max deal If you offered Ellis to any of those teams for those players you just named they would hang up the phone before you stopped talking. LOL, NO SHIT! But why would a team who has a player on the same level, trade for that player coming off of ankle surgery, when they have a healthy equal on the roster already? That makes no sense at all. The Jazz probably wouldn't trade Williams for Paul, so does that mean Paul sucks? You say alot of stuff that makes no sense to me
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Mar 16, 2009 18:18:03 GMT -4
If you offered Ellis to any of those teams for those players you just named they would hang up the phone before you stopped talking. LOL, NO SHIT! But why would a team who has a player on the same level, trade for that player coming off of ankle surgery, when they have a healthy equal on the roster already? That makes no sense at all. The Jazz probably wouldn't trade Williams for Paul, so does that mean Paul sucks? You say alot of stuff that makes no sense to me Those other guards are healthy and playing well. Ellis is recovering and playing poorly. Therefore at this moment he is not on their level. I can't make it any more clear than that.
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Mar 16, 2009 18:35:41 GMT -4
LOL, NO SHIT! But why would a team who has a player on the same level, trade for that player coming off of ankle surgery, when they have a healthy equal on the roster already? That makes no sense at all. The Jazz probably wouldn't trade Williams for Paul, so does that mean Paul sucks? You say alot of stuff that makes no sense to me Those other guards are healthy and playing well. Ellis is recovering and playing poorly. Therefore at this moment he is not on their level. I can't make it any more clear than that. But he is worth the money, because healthy he is on the same level. So was D-Wade not worth his money last season when he was hurt? And was he not still a top tier player? Because all he did the next season is lead the league in scoring, and be a top 3 MVP candidate. So yes Monta Ellis is worth his money................... and yes he is in the same tier as Rose, Mayo, ect How much clearer do I need to make it to you. Go back and read my first comment about this, and see that I've been saying the same thing. Ellis is a top player, and is worth the money. Granted he is injured now, but for only playing 15 games this season on a selfish team he looks pretty good to me. And I imagine a summer of getting back in basketball form, and trusting his ankle again, he will be better than ever with a chip on his shoulder..................... kinda like D - Wade had this off season. Turned out well for him, and I'm sure it will turn out fine for Ellis. Speaking from experince having the surgery and returning to the court is the hardest part. Now getting back to your old level or better is the fun part, becuase thats when the competetor in an athlete kicks in and he wants to prove everyone wrong.
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Post by J-Sav on Mar 16, 2009 18:46:10 GMT -4
Jeez fellas. You guys make great points. Can y'all agree on that?
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Mar 16, 2009 19:07:35 GMT -4
Wade is such a bizarre comparison to make. Wade had three all league awards, an all defensive team award a finals MVP and a ring BEFORE he got injured.
The year he played injured was better than Ellis healthy career year last year. So yes Wade deserves every dime.
And none of those other guards that you believe are on the same level as him are pulling in 11 million a year.
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Mar 16, 2009 19:55:42 GMT -4
Wade is such a bizarre comparison to make. Wade had three all league awards, an all defensive team award a finals MVP and a ring BEFORE he got injured. The year he played injured was better than Ellis healthy career year last year. So yes Wade deserves every dime. And none of those other guards that you believe are on the same level as him are pulling in 11 million a year. Because those guards are still rookie contracts or were signed in the first round and weren't elgible for it. Players get injured every year, and to say Ellis who before his injury was 20 ppg scorer in his third season is not worth 11 mil in todays NBA economy is absurd. Go on Hoopshype and look at the guys making 11 mil or more, ane tell me Ellis isn't better or in the same class then 70% of them. Also look at Ellis age, and his room to grow. If this was a sim league, Ellis would have B potenital still to go with his already great ratings. I hate when guys treat guys who get injured like they can never come back and they suck all of sudden. D Wade is a perfect example for the fact that 90% of people out there said he was over rated and wasn't shit without Shaq, and he wouldn't be the same after his injuries.
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Post by Steve on Mar 16, 2009 19:57:00 GMT -4
D-Wade, by the way, should be the MVP.
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Mar 16, 2009 20:02:24 GMT -4
D-Wade, by the way, should be the MVP. Its between him and Lebron, but I would give it to Lebron. You gotta look at LBJ's complete stats, and realize what he's doing has been done only by MJ, and Oscar Robertson. However I think we have the best top 3 scorers at one time, since I've been watching basketball.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Mar 16, 2009 21:47:25 GMT -4
Wade is such a bizarre comparison to make. Wade had three all league awards, an all defensive team award a finals MVP and a ring BEFORE he got injured. The year he played injured was better than Ellis healthy career year last year. So yes Wade deserves every dime. And none of those other guards that you believe are on the same level as him are pulling in 11 million a year. Because those guards are still rookie contracts or were signed in the first round and weren't elgible for it. Players get injured every year, and to say Ellis who before his injury was 20 ppg scorer in his third season is not worth 11 mil in todays NBA economy is absurd. Go on Hoopshype and look at the guys making 11 mil or more, ane tell me Ellis isn't better or in the same class then 70% of them. Also look at Ellis age, and his room to grow. If this was a sim league, Ellis would have B potenital still to go with his already great ratings. I hate when guys treat guys who get injured like they can never come back and they suck all of sudden. D Wade is a perfect example for the fact that 90% of people out there said he was over rated and wasn't shit without Shaq, and he wouldn't be the same after his injuries. Whats the difference between Monta Ellis and Leandro Barbosa? Extremely quick undersized SG who don't pass particularly well or play defense and score around 20 ppg in extremely fast paced offenses.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Mar 16, 2009 21:52:04 GMT -4
D-Wade, by the way, should be the MVP. MVPs dont come from teams with .545 winning percentages.. Look it up it just doesn't happen.
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Mar 17, 2009 2:45:20 GMT -4
Because those guards are still rookie contracts or were signed in the first round and weren't elgible for it. Players get injured every year, and to say Ellis who before his injury was 20 ppg scorer in his third season is not worth 11 mil in todays NBA economy is absurd. Go on Hoopshype and look at the guys making 11 mil or more, ane tell me Ellis isn't better or in the same class then 70% of them. Also look at Ellis age, and his room to grow. If this was a sim league, Ellis would have B potenital still to go with his already great ratings. I hate when guys treat guys who get injured like they can never come back and they suck all of sudden. D Wade is a perfect example for the fact that 90% of people out there said he was over rated and wasn't shit without Shaq, and he wouldn't be the same after his injuries. Whats the difference between Monta Ellis and Leandro Barbosa? Extremely quick undersized SG who don't pass particularly well or play defense and score around 20 ppg in extremely fast paced offenses. However Ellis is 23, and still has way more room to grow. And his style is perfect for the team he's on. Getting better is up to the player, an Ellis has the potential to be one of the best in the league. BTW Steve Nash is a max player who plays no defense what so ever, so its not un heard of for a one dimensional guy to get big bucks.
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Post by DRE on Mar 17, 2009 3:25:08 GMT -4
Because those guards are still rookie contracts or were signed in the first round and weren't elgible for it. Players get injured every year, and to say Ellis who before his injury was 20 ppg scorer in his third season is not worth 11 mil in todays NBA economy is absurd. Go on Hoopshype and look at the guys making 11 mil or more, ane tell me Ellis isn't better or in the same class then 70% of them. Also look at Ellis age, and his room to grow. If this was a sim league, Ellis would have B potenital still to go with his already great ratings. I hate when guys treat guys who get injured like they can never come back and they suck all of sudden. D Wade is a perfect example for the fact that 90% of people out there said he was over rated and wasn't shit without Shaq, and he wouldn't be the same after his injuries. Whats the difference between Monta Ellis and Leandro Barbosa? Extremely quick undersized SG who don't pass particularly well or play defense and score around 20 ppg in extremely fast paced offenses. Same type of player but Ellis is 100 times more efficient when healthy. -Dre
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Mar 17, 2009 11:30:34 GMT -4
Whats the difference between Monta Ellis and Leandro Barbosa? Extremely quick undersized SG who don't pass particularly well or play defense and score around 20 ppg in extremely fast paced offenses. Same type of player but Ellis is 100 times more efficient when healthy. -Dre Not when you factor in three pointers Ellis Season Age TS% eFG% 2005-06 20 .486 .459 2006-07 21 .545 .495 2007-08 22 .580 .536 2008-09 23 .481 .443 Career NBA .549 .504 Barbosa Season Age TS% eFG% 2003-04 21 .553 .535 2004-05 22 .575 .547 2005-06 23 .589 .558 2006-07 24 .595 .562 2007-08 25 .575 .543 2008-09 26 .586 .540 Career .582 .549
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