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Post by Steve on Mar 17, 2009 14:35:03 GMT -4
D-Wade, by the way, should be the MVP. MVPs dont come from teams with .545 winning percentages.. Look it up it just doesn't happen. lol...but Kobe sure as hell shouldn't be the MVP. Don't talk to me like I'm some fool...I know winning has a big part in it. The thing is, you take Wade off the team and there going to be picking in the top 5 again. Most valuable to his team and Wade exemplifies that better than everyone in the league. Also, I agree that it's between LBJ and Wade...and I would have no problem at all if James wins it, but it should be Wade.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Mar 17, 2009 15:13:51 GMT -4
MVPs dont come from teams with .545 winning percentages.. Look it up it just doesn't happen. lol...but Kobe sure as hell shouldn't be the MVP. Don't talk to me like I'm some fool...I know winning has a big part in it. The thing is, you take Wade off the team and there going to be picking in the top 5 again. Most valuable to his team and Wade exemplifies that better than everyone in the league. Also, I agree that it's between LBJ and Wade...and I would have no problem at all if James wins it, but it should be Wade. Winning is the most important part to it... look at the last 10 MVPs Kobe (2nd best record in the league), Dirk (1st), Nash (4th, 1st), KG (2nd), Duncan (3rd, 1st) AI ( 2nd), Shaq (1st) and now you are telling me Wade (14th) is right there with Kobe (1st) and Lebron (1st) Get real its not going to happen
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Post by Steve on Mar 17, 2009 15:18:17 GMT -4
lol...but Kobe sure as hell shouldn't be the MVP. Don't talk to me like I'm some fool...I know winning has a big part in it. The thing is, you take Wade off the team and there going to be picking in the top 5 again. Most valuable to his team and Wade exemplifies that better than everyone in the league. Also, I agree that it's between LBJ and Wade...and I would have no problem at all if James wins it, but it should be Wade. Winning is the most important part to it... look at the last 10 MVPs Kobe (2nd best record in the league), Dirk (1st), Nash (4th, 1st), KG (2nd), Duncan (3rd, 1st) AI ( 2nd), Shaq (1st) and now you are telling me Wade (14th) is right there with Kobe (1st) and Lebron (1st) Get real its not going to happen Shut up and get your damn bias out of here. If you think Kobe has done more with the supporting cast around him then your a complete moron. Kobe has guys like Gasol, Odom, and Bynum (not right now), when Wade has who? O'Neal and Beasely are the best around him? Wade is better and is way more deserving than Kobe as MVP.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Mar 17, 2009 15:25:32 GMT -4
Winning is the most important part to it... look at the last 10 MVPs Kobe (2nd best record in the league), Dirk (1st), Nash (4th, 1st), KG (2nd), Duncan (3rd, 1st) AI ( 2nd), Shaq (1st) and now you are telling me Wade (14th) is right there with Kobe (1st) and Lebron (1st) Get real its not going to happen Shut up and get your damn bias out of here. If you think Kobe has done more with the supporting cast around him then your a complete moron. Kobe has guys like Gasol, Odom, and Bynum (not right now), when Wade has who? O'Neal and Beasely are the best around him? Wade is better and is way more deserving than Kobe as MVP. I don't know why you are so upset. I'm just stating facts. Historically your team has to be a viable championship contender in order to get serious MVP consideration. The Cavs and Lakers are contenders. The Heat are not. Ranting to me about it isn't going to change that.
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Mar 17, 2009 15:57:00 GMT -4
Same type of player but Ellis is 100 times more efficient when healthy. -Dre Not when you factor in three pointers Ellis Season Age TS% eFG% 2005-06 20 .486 .459 2006-07 21 .545 .495 2007-08 22 .580 .536 2008-09 23 .481 .443 Career NBA .549 .504 Barbosa Season Age TS% eFG% 2003-04 21 .553 .535 2004-05 22 .575 .547 2005-06 23 .589 .558 2006-07 24 .595 .562 2007-08 25 .575 .543 2008-09 26 .586 .540 Career .582 .549 Your also talking about a guy who could get open looks, because of the huge amount of talent around him. And your comparing that to a guy who has to get his own shot because GSW has always been a selfish team and guys aren't looking to set other guards up. It's ten times easier hitting an open 3, then it is to hit one with a hand in your face. You have to look at all facts before you present them. The numbers don't tell the whole story. Even to this day if you watched the Warriors vs Suns last Sunday you would see the Warriors only creating their own shots, or passing the ball only after their own drive was taken away. And the Suns moving the ball to get wide open jump shots, and looking to get everyone involved. Anybody in the Warriors system would drop in 3 point percentage, but they would probably rise in FG% because they will get ten times more layups and extra attempts due to the pace.
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Post by Steve on Mar 17, 2009 17:57:07 GMT -4
Shut up and get your damn bias out of here. If you think Kobe has done more with the supporting cast around him then your a complete moron. Kobe has guys like Gasol, Odom, and Bynum (not right now), when Wade has who? O'Neal and Beasely are the best around him? Wade is better and is way more deserving than Kobe as MVP. I don't know why you are so upset. I'm just stating facts. Historically your team has to be a viable championship contender in order to get serious MVP consideration. The Cavs and Lakers are contenders. The Heat are not. Ranting to me about it isn't going to change that. Pujols won MVP in baseball last year with a mediocre team...need I say more?
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Mar 17, 2009 18:35:24 GMT -4
I don't know why you are so upset. I'm just stating facts. Historically your team has to be a viable championship contender in order to get serious MVP consideration. The Cavs and Lakers are contenders. The Heat are not. Ranting to me about it isn't going to change that. Pujols won MVP in baseball last year with a mediocre team...need I say more? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 19:01:21 GMT -4
I don't know why you are so upset. I'm just stating facts. Historically your team has to be a viable championship contender in order to get serious MVP consideration. The Cavs and Lakers are contenders. The Heat are not. Ranting to me about it isn't going to change that. Pujols won MVP in baseball last year with a mediocre team...need I say more? Since when were we talking about baseball? You're a moron.
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Post by Steve on Mar 18, 2009 14:44:09 GMT -4
I bought it up because he said that you can't win MVPs with a non championship caliber team...well Pujols did it with a .500 team.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Mar 18, 2009 15:11:55 GMT -4
I bought it up because he said that you can't win MVPs with a non championship caliber team...well Pujols did it with a .500 team. The MLB MVP has nothing to do with the NBA MVP. Neither do the NHL, NCAA, FIBA, NASCAR, CFL, NFL, YMCA, SLOR MVPs. This should be common sense. .
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Post by Steve on Mar 18, 2009 15:22:51 GMT -4
I bought it up because he said that you can't win MVPs with a non championship caliber team...well Pujols did it with a .500 team. The MLB MVP has nothing to do with the NBA MVP. This should be common sense. . Okay, I am wrong. But I still think Wade is more worthy of the MVP over Kobe.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Mar 18, 2009 15:48:27 GMT -4
The MLB MVP has nothing to do with the NBA MVP. This should be common sense. . Okay, I am wrong. But I still think Wade is more worthy of the MVP over Kobe. That's fine. When Kobe led Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown and Brian Cook to the playoffs I thought the same thing, but I had no illusions that he was actually going to win it.
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Post by Mogwai Mode on Mar 18, 2009 22:31:30 GMT -4
Get all this bullshit out of the Pac 10 thread!
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Post by Mogwai Mode on Mar 18, 2009 22:32:44 GMT -4
Pat Mills is going to get into your guys ass No homo That Aussie has never seen any defense like he's gonna see from the Cougs. And he never seen a player like Rochestie this year. So I ain't trippin. St. Mary's is going down, and we gonna say fuck it and win the NIT. So yeah, how about those Cougs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 23:29:43 GMT -4
St Mary's proved they belonged in the NCAA tournament with the way Patty Mills was playing last night. If only he played 1/2 that good versus Gonzaga they'd be in there for sure.
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