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Post by Jogo on Apr 14, 2009 15:13:51 GMT -4
I know about the theistic evolution. I'm not gonna point where its flaws are because we would use 10 pages just to agree to disagree.
But if you are telling me that the bible can't be taken that literally, then we cut the argument short. Sure the bilble has good principals. I don't dispute that. But it's mostly fiction to pass a message. And if you don't take it literally then it's up to interpretation and each can make his own. And everyone can make an interpretation that suits their beliefs. You can believe in parts and always say that the parts that don't make sense with what we know now are just fables that can't be taken literally. Of course the more pure christans will tell you and have told me that it should be taken literally. They'll say any reading or adjustment you make is just an adjustment to your beliefs. I see where they are coming from. You can't say you are a christian and just accept parts of the religion and reject or adjust to make them more believable the parts that stopped making sense at some point. For example, when you say God knows ALL but doesn't know the future only possibilities you are making adjustments just so what you say doesn't sound so silly and is actually something you can live with.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 14, 2009 15:21:33 GMT -4
I know about the theistic evolution. I'm not gonna point where its flaws are because we would use 10 pages just to agree to disagree. .
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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 14, 2009 15:28:34 GMT -4
Watch George Carlin's comedy on religion being bullshit, that sums it up.
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Post by Jogo on Apr 14, 2009 15:29:16 GMT -4
You are not gonna drag me into that argument. Sorry. Especially you who I've seen can be showed a red dot and still spin it to make it look like it was green if that's what you were trying to prove. The odds you are ever gonna agree at the end of an argument with someone that doesn't share your point of view at the start of an argument are the exact same odds of the other person changing his mind.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 14, 2009 15:30:48 GMT -4
Watch George Carlin's comedy on religion being bullshit, that sums it up. Just because you were brainwashed by a comedian and a movie doesn't make it persuasive.
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Post by J-Sav on Apr 14, 2009 15:30:59 GMT -4
I know about the theistic evolution. I'm not gonna point where its flaws are because we would use 10 pages just to agree to disagree. But if you are telling me that the bible can't be taken that literally, then we cut the argument short. Sure the bilble has good principals. I don't dispute that. But it's mostly fiction to pass a message. And if you don't take it literally then it's up to interpretation and each can make his own. And everyone can make an interpretation that suits their beliefs. You can believe in parts and always say that the parts that don't make sense with what we know now are just fables that can't be taken literally. Of course the more pure christans will tell you and have told me that it should be taken literally. They'll say any reading or adjustment you make is just an adjustment to your beliefs. I see where they are coming from. You can't say you are a christian and just accept parts of the religion and reject or adjust to make them more believable the parts that stopped making sense at some point. For example, when you say God knows ALL but doesn't know the future only possibilities you are making adjustments just so what you say doesn't sound so silly and is actually something you can live with. Great point. Agree with your statement 100%
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 14, 2009 15:34:14 GMT -4
You are not gonna drag me into that argument. Sorry. Especially you who I've seen can be showed a red dot and still spin it to make it look like it was green if that's what you were trying to prove. The odds you are ever gonna agree at the end of an argument with someone that doesn't share your point of view at the start of an argument are the exact same odds of the other person changing his mind. I just dont think you know what theistic evolution or know of any flaws. It's a bluff.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 14, 2009 15:39:14 GMT -4
Watch George Carlin's comedy on religion being bullshit, that sums it up. Just because you were brainwashed by a comedian and a movie doesn't make it persuasive. So Im brainwashed because I question things, but believing in something that men wrote thousands of years ago isn't being brainwashed? I would say believing strongly in religion is being more brainwashed then anything. I would think kids that grow up going to church all their life would be the most brainwashed people in the world, because they have no choice to choose what they are doing, their ideas are basically made up for them by what their parents believe in.
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Post by Bish on Apr 14, 2009 15:46:28 GMT -4
For example, when you say God knows ALL but doesn't know the future only possibilities you are making adjustments just so what you say doesn't sound so silly and is actually something you can live with. Look back - I never said that actually. It's all over the Bible though that God doesn't know what is going to happen, that he can change his mind, that he wants to guide us in the right direction but leaves it up to us to make decisions, wants us to use prayer as a tool to make things happen, etc. I agree with you though that this type of discussion can get really long and go nowhere. That's why I suggested some books that I've found really interesting on subjects that have been brought up here. It's a more direct and less confrontational way to do some research from an outside party if you have the inclination in the future. I've never been one to push my beliefs on anyone, but I will throw out ideas and things like book recommendations from time to time when it seems to fit with the conversation at hand.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 14, 2009 15:47:07 GMT -4
Just because you were brainwashed by a comedian and a movie doesn't make it persuasive. So Im brainwashed because I question things, but believing in something that men wrote thousands of years ago isn't being brainwashed? I would say believing strongly in religion is being more brainwashed then anything. I would think kids that grow up going to church all their life would be the most brainwashed people in the world, because they have no choice to choose what they are doing, their ideas are basically made up for them by what their parents believe in. You just don't get it. Parroting George Carlin and Bill Maher is no different than Rog parroting his religious elders. PS. I'm agnostic and thought Maher's movie was terribly boring.
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Post by J-Sav on Apr 14, 2009 15:53:10 GMT -4
So Im brainwashed because I question things, but believing in something that men wrote thousands of years ago isn't being brainwashed? I would say believing strongly in religion is being more brainwashed then anything. I would think kids that grow up going to church all their life would be the most brainwashed people in the world, because they have no choice to choose what they are doing, their ideas are basically made up for them by what their parents believe in. You just don't get it. Parroting George Carlin and Bill Maher is no different than Rog parroting his religious elders. PS. I'm agnostic and thought Maher's movie was terribly boring. Another great point.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 14, 2009 15:53:37 GMT -4
You just said I was brainwashed, pretty sure I know what the fuck that means, your being just as ignorant is anybody else.
Maher's movie was a documentary, so I guess I wouldn't suppose that it had special effects or anything entertaining for you, but the ideas that he questions the different types of religions is what I got from it.
So, far after reading everything in this thread, Sav makes the best points. Still not saying I believe in a god or some higher power, but he is right that we should be spreading peace through what ever form of communication possible whether its religion or not, but nobody really does. Too many people are worried about whether their religion is right or wrong, when it all comes down to it, it doesn't mean shit cause you won't know until your dead.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 14, 2009 15:56:07 GMT -4
My whole point is to question everything, instead of believing it whole heartedly. I think everybody should question everything. Its your right to question things.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 14, 2009 16:02:35 GMT -4
You just said I was brainwashed, pretty sure I know what the fuck that means, your being just as ignorant is anybody else. Yeah obviously you are brainwashed by Religulous and he is brainwashed by the Passion of the Christ. The movie was weak because I don't remember him speaking with a single theistic scientist of which there are thousands. He seeked out the dumbest of the dumb and edited it in a way that made him look superior. Ive seen youtube debates on the topic ten times more informative.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 14, 2009 16:19:11 GMT -4
Im not brainwashed by religulous, once again you just ignored my whole statement. I said what I got from it was how he questions everything, thats what I do, but of course you skipped passed every statement that said I question things and think that everybody should question things.
I believed this way far longer then the recent movie of religulous. I didn't just in the last 2 years after watching the movie think that way, that is dumb. I think they make good points on the questioning of all religions and such.
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