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Post by kfilament on Apr 23, 2009 22:29:24 GMT -4
So word is that Crabtree is falling on the boards, how low do you guys think he could go??
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Post by Mogwai Mode on Apr 23, 2009 22:36:13 GMT -4
It'll be interesting to see how well our mock draft matches up with the real draft.
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Post by J-Sav on Apr 23, 2009 22:58:10 GMT -4
I hate how teams fall in love with combine and numbers sometimes. I understand you need them, but I put 85% on the tapes. Crabtree on tape to me was one of the best recievers I've ever seen come out of college. Definitely on par with Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, and Andre Johnson when they came out of college. But I give I slight edge to him. All he gonna do is get better at his craft which is scary. Speed is great. He can go across the middle, and deep. Has ridiculous hands. Smart, and got an edge to him that you need to be a NFL reciever. He was NFL ready last year. He does everything great. That's why if the Raiders pass up on him, I'm gonna be one angry fan. Cougs already fucked up with the basketball hire, I hope the Raiders don't do it to me too...
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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 23, 2009 23:27:50 GMT -4
I think you have better hope in the economy turning around in a year, then the raiders turning it around,lol. By the way Crabtree is good, but not even close to fitzgerald, moss, and johnson. You can't compare guys to guys who haven't even taken a snap yet. Shit Mike williams was suppose to be the shit, what happened to him? What about Rogers that was taken number 3 overall? He was suppose to be good too.
I'm really happy the Hawks are not going to take crabtree and signed the Housh instead, much better deal, considering they would have to pay crabtree similar money. They need to draft an OL.
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Post by kfilament on Apr 23, 2009 23:45:39 GMT -4
i saw crabtree in person at the cotton bowl and he looked not impressive at all. I know you cant get too caught up in the big12 had no D hype, but considering where he played and how many points were put up across the board in the big12 last year then you can see why his numbers might be a bit inflated.
Against a much better secondary he was a non factor in that game.
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Apr 24, 2009 0:48:19 GMT -4
Savajo thinks Crabtree is the greatest thing. I tried to explain to him, that he is a good system reciever, but in no means is he on par to Fitz (who scored a TD in every game in college) or Moss who shattered every recieving record in the MAC.
Crabtree is good, but he is more on par to be a younger Reggie Wayne. That in no means to be a diss, because Wayne is very solid. However comparing him to the best is absolutly foolish. If he comes to the league and studys and listens to what everyone tells him, he can be one of the best one day. But to put him at that level now is completly absurd.
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Post by Mogwai Mode on Apr 24, 2009 1:07:21 GMT -4
I honestly have no idea who the Hawks are going to pick at 4. They could go a number of directions. QB, OT, LB, CB, maybe but probably not HB or even WR.
I hope they trade down but they may be too high up to do so.
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Post by J-Sav on Apr 24, 2009 11:48:50 GMT -4
I think you have better hope in the economy turning around in a year, then the raiders turning it around,lol. By the way Crabtree is good, but not even close to fitzgerald, moss, and johnson. You can't compare guys to guys who haven't even taken a snap yet. Shit Mike williams was suppose to be the shit, what happened to him? What about Rogers that was taken number 3 overall? He was suppose to be good too. I'm really happy the Hawks are not going to take crabtree and signed the Housh instead, much better deal, considering they would have to pay crabtree similar money. They need to draft an OL. Can you and sims help not talking out of your ass? Let me repeat what I said you guys, since it seems you guys have a learning disability. I said, Crabtree on tape to me was one of the best recievers I've ever seen come out of college. I'm saying he's gonna be as those guys in the NFL. I said on film, he looked as good as those guys. And looked how they turned out. But I know with you guys, my opinion is always wrong, so I don't take too much into what you guys say...
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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 24, 2009 12:53:14 GMT -4
Have you ever stopped and realized that he was good in the specific offense? There isn't much defense in the Big-12 where he plays most of his games. Not saying he won't be decent or anything, but your putting an awful high standard of of watching tape. There are plenty of guys who had great tapes and sucked dick in the NFL. Even one of your own in Ryan Leaf guy, ever watch his tapes? He looked pretty damn good. How was his NFL career? By the way how did Randy moss do in Oakland in the first place?
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Post by J-Sav on Apr 24, 2009 15:35:45 GMT -4
Unlike you douchebag, I look for certain intangibles when watching a position. And you may not believe me, but I've been pretty successful in evaluationg talent, especially on the offensive side. And the guys I mentioned were guys who I saw certain intangibles at the reciever position that I knew would translate to the NFL. And to me, Crabtree had it all, and I really believe he's gonna be an awesome reciever.
As a friend, let me tell you this. When you argue, make sure to sharpen your points. Because when you just say shit out of your ass, that's not relevant to the arguement, you lose credibility. You do this alot, and I just want to help you out. For an example, the last post you made. You made some good points about the Big 12, which I would disagree because I for a reciever like Crabtree, it didn't matter. Then you start to talk out of your ass when you mentioned Ryan Leaf. WTF does that have to do with anything? First of all, everyone knows that QB is the hardest position to evaluate. I never judge a QB until he gets snaps in the league first. But that's not the same for other positions. Also you mention Randy Moss. Now what does that have to do with anything? Yes, he played on the Raiders of a couple years ago with one of the worst offense in the history of the NFL. But that was a couple years ago. Doesn't matter now. And don't get me started on Raider recievers since you want to talk about past performances, we have some great ones in the history of our franchise.
Anyways, I'm not saying that I just look at someone's tape and say, "damn, he's good!" Everyone in the draft on tape looks good. I just saying from my past assessments, I had the same feeling, and saw the same things that I did when I saw those players mentioned. I see something special with this kid, and whoever is lucky enough to get this kid will be very happy.
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Apr 24, 2009 15:51:52 GMT -4
Looks like the Chiefs and Broncos are in talks to trade the 3rd pick, for both of the Broncos first round pick. That way the Broncos can get Sanchez, and the chiefs can get Pettigrew, and one of the USC Linebackers.
This is great news for the Hawks, because that means our first choice in Aarron Curry will still be on the board. That will be a nasty Linebacker trio in Le'roy Hill, Lofa Tatupa, and Aarron Curry.
Come on Chiefs, take the deal
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Post by J-Sav on Apr 24, 2009 15:57:25 GMT -4
Aaron Curry is a beast. He's the surest thing in the draft by far IMO.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 24, 2009 15:58:48 GMT -4
It is funny how you say your mostly right, but you won't bring up the times your wrong by players that you watched tape on. Like you said everybody looks good on tape, so wouldn't it be more of a guess then? There are plenty of players that looked good on tap and didn't do anything in the NFL and players who didn't look as good end up being superstars. Carlos Rogers, looked exceptional on tape, and was drafted number 3 overall, how is he doing in the NFL?
Who's Marques colston? I bet his tape didn't even look that good, but he is a pretty damn good receiver already and was drafted late.
Wasn't TO drafted in like the third round? I bet his tape looked like a linebacker trying to run around and catch the ball,lol. He probably couldn't run a route to save his life. Not saying Crabtree might not be good, just don't think he will be a superstar or should be compared to guys that are proven superstars. I personally think Fitzgerald is the best receiver in the NFL.
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Post by Mogwai Mode on Apr 24, 2009 17:22:27 GMT -4
Looks like the Chiefs and Broncos are in talks to trade the 3rd pick, for both of the Broncos first round pick. That way the Broncos can get Sanchez, and the chiefs can get Pettigrew, and one of the USC Linebackers. This is great news for the Hawks, because that means our first choice in Aarron Curry will still be on the board. That will be a nasty Linebacker trio in Le'roy Hill, Lofa Tatupa, and Aarron Curry. Come on Chiefs, take the deal No no no, we don't need Aaron Curry. LB is not as import of a position as OT or DL. I'd rather have B.J. Raji than Aaron Curry. We better take either Monroe or Smith, which ever is available at 4. Also where has it been reported that Curry is our 1st choice?
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Apr 24, 2009 17:36:28 GMT -4
Looks like the Chiefs and Broncos are in talks to trade the 3rd pick, for both of the Broncos first round pick. That way the Broncos can get Sanchez, and the chiefs can get Pettigrew, and one of the USC Linebackers. This is great news for the Hawks, because that means our first choice in Aarron Curry will still be on the board. That will be a nasty Linebacker trio in Le'roy Hill, Lofa Tatupa, and Aarron Curry. Come on Chiefs, take the deal No no no, we don't need Aaron Curry. LB is not as import of a position as OT or DL. I'd rather have B.J. Raji than Aaron Curry. We better take either Monroe or Smith, which ever is available at 4. Also where has it been reported that Curry is our 1st choice? LOL, we have so much money tied into our line. And if Jones remains healthy, there is no room for another lineman. Are we suppose to pay Monroe or Smith to start? We just loss Julian peterson, and we are going to have to sign Le'roy hill next season. (Which we won't, because he will want way too much) Just read the Seattle times of what they want. Ruskull has stated multiple times that Curry is the best player in the draft. If we draft Raji, we need to move down 4 or 5 spots. Curry would be an immediate starter, and would give us insurance when we lose Hill next season
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