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Post by Seattle Slough on Oct 1, 2009 14:22:18 GMT -4
Anybody watch the documentary, "Sicko," by Michael Moore? Was put out a few years back, but just watched it with all the health care stuff going one. Very interesting and makes me sick of how fucked up shit is in America.
Sicko definitely hits home more for me than most, but that is because I don't have healthcare and really haven't had much of it for the last 10 years. Curious on if anybody else saw Sicko and what they thing about the whole health care situation.
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Post by Bish on Oct 1, 2009 14:50:14 GMT -4
Sicko was almost pure propaganda, just like all of Moore's movies. It was interesting though.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Oct 1, 2009 15:19:58 GMT -4
So, you don't agree with the idea of having free health care for people?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2009 15:24:46 GMT -4
So, you don't agree with the idea of having free health care for people? HAHAHAHAHA "free"....
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Post by Seattle Slough on Oct 1, 2009 15:31:18 GMT -4
Ok, obviously it comes from taxes, but I don't think the taxes are really any different than what we have now, only difference is the US chooses to use the taxes on other stuff that doesn't benefit the people as much.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Oct 1, 2009 15:33:59 GMT -4
Watching movies made by Michael Moore or Bill Maher and thinking you have the feel on any issue as a result is no different that those who religiously watch Fox News,
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Post by Peter Fox on Oct 1, 2009 15:35:24 GMT -4
I don't like our health care system over here in the Netherlands, I would like to see your system here in Europe, should be at least nice to lower the taxes and get rid of shitload of immigrants.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Oct 1, 2009 15:36:40 GMT -4
LOL, your an idiot! I am talking about the idea behind it of Universal health care like other countries have it. I strongly agree that the US should have Universal health care, such as countries like Canada, UK, France, ETC.
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Post by Peter Fox on Oct 1, 2009 15:41:44 GMT -4
Our health care system is universal health care like almost all the European countries, so I'm not a big fan of that/our system
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Post by Seattle Slough on Oct 1, 2009 15:43:21 GMT -4
So, your not a fan of the health and benefit of people? You would rather people die, so you can make some extra dollars maybe, cause the government would just use the tax money on something else.
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Post by Peter Fox on Oct 1, 2009 15:55:19 GMT -4
Not if it costs the people who can pay health care by their own. At least I would give people the choice of they join the national health care system or some private health care funds. Also our health care system over here is pretty generous for our basic insurance, so I would like to start to make a 'slim' version of that insurance, to reduce the costs. Your last point is true, as our government would found another socialists-hobby to put that money in.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Oct 1, 2009 16:10:14 GMT -4
The problem with the Insurance places is they are suppose to help you in need, which is fine, but they don't really do that, they more try to make profit off of it, which is clearly bullshit. I would have no problem with paying some for health care and stuff, but the prices are so outrageous, because they are trying to profit off of your sickness basically. If they charged a smaller amount and weren't making a shit ton of money off of you, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I don't believe in being a socialist country, but the government whether you like it or not is going to tax you. So, there are certain things that those taxes should go to for the people of its country, like health care, education, roads, and many more things. But on top of being taxed already, companies are making profits off of you.
Look at the pharmacuetical companies. They don't want to cure anything you have, they won't to make drugs and keep you with what you have, so its an automatic profit and job security, because what ever is wrong with you will keep coming back or never leave.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2009 16:13:22 GMT -4
Ok, obviously it comes from taxes, but I don't think the taxes are really any different than what we have now, only difference is the US chooses to use the taxes on other stuff that doesn't benefit the people as much. That's absolutely false. Every healthcare plan laid out by our government would lead to a huge increase in government spending. If the government would cut our military spending or other entitlement programs and use the profits from that to go towards healthcare I'd listen to the argument. I am absolutely against increasing taxes to pay for healthcare.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2009 16:23:42 GMT -4
The problem with the Insurance places is they are suppose to help you in need, which is fine, but they don't really do that, they more try to make profit off of it, which is clearly bullshit. I would have no problem with paying some for health care and stuff, but the prices are so outrageous, because they are trying to profit off of your sickness basically. If they charged a smaller amount and weren't making a shit ton of money off of you, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. I don't believe in being a socialist country, but the government whether you like it or not is going to tax you. So, there are certain things that those taxes should go to for the people of its country, like health care, education, roads, and many more things. But on top of being taxed already, companies are making profits off of you.Look at the pharmacuetical companies. They don't want to cure anything you have, they won't to make drugs and keep you with what you have, so its an automatic profit and job security, because what ever is wrong with you will keep coming back or never leave. Profits are bullshit? You're right, you don't believe in being a socialist country - you want to be a communist country. You say the prices for health insurance are outrageous? Have you ever looked into getting your own health insurance? The prices for non-smoking males in their 20's is less than $100 a month. I don't really consider that "outrageous" - especially considering most people spend more than that on cable/internet/beer each month.
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Post by kfilament on Oct 1, 2009 17:10:28 GMT -4
My main hangup with the current insurance system/policies in the US is the pre-existing condition clauses. I deal with this first hand, and its a pretty shitty situation. I have gotten lucky in that I have jumped from one job to another and been able to be consistantly insured. But if I wanted to leave my current position I would have to look and find another one that had insurance comparable to what I have now, b/c if I got for a certain period without coverage it would be next to impossible to get covered again, or it would cost >>>>>$100 a month, not to mention the lack of pharmaceutical benefits for about 3 months would bankrupt me.
Its a complex issue, and having a public option wont solve all the problems and make everything better, but I dont think a public option would run State Farm out of business.
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