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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 3:58:56 GMT -4
Post by sativa417 on Sept 9, 2008 3:58:56 GMT -4
zach, J-crit, marc gasol, darrell arthur, lakers 1st, cap space > Pau gasol, darko, jaric
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 4:02:37 GMT -4
Post by DatBoyWonder on Sept 9, 2008 4:02:37 GMT -4
I gave Chris Wallace his credit for this off-season. Only a matter of time before he fucks up though
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 4:06:27 GMT -4
Post by sativa417 on Sept 9, 2008 4:06:27 GMT -4
i was pissed when we got wallace, i was ok with his first offseason since he at least tried to address needs (which it sometimes felt like west wasn't doing), then i was pissed again after the gasol trade, then happy with the draft, then pissed with our not trying to sign anyone with the cap. I have no idea how i feel about wallace right now. I forgot we also got j-crit in the gasol trade. In reality the gasol trade isn't turning out quite as bad as most originally thought, but we still should have gotten more at the time.
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 11:44:29 GMT -4
Post by kfilament on Sept 9, 2008 11:44:29 GMT -4
its obvious this dominates guy has never seen the grizz play a game. Zbo fills our needs to a T. He wont be "the guy" on this team. Rudy gay is "the guy". Secondly, just b/c two players (gasol and zbo) are both below avg defenders, doesnt automatically make them the same exact things. Their games are VERY different, even a casual observer of NBA basketball should be able to tell this.
I have no idea what this yay who is yelling about pau gasol. The trade is Zbo for darko and jaric. That, IMO, is as no brainer as it gets. Only one extra contract year, doesnt jam up our salary cap at all, we will be able to easily resign our young guys when they come up and will make our team MUCH better. I mean, comparing the output from zbo to darko and jaric is just silly.
I guess there are still soem who expect darko to bust out, but after watching 82 games worth last year i have no such hope, and wont miss him at all.
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 12:10:01 GMT -4
Post by Kobe Dominates! on Sept 9, 2008 12:10:01 GMT -4
I was going to actually respond but then I remembered that this is coming from the same guy who claimed Norm Chow may be the worst offensive coordinator in the history of football. The local media must do a good job of selling scapegoats to you guys. Whats all this internet buzz about Vince Young going MIA last night?
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 12:53:05 GMT -4
Post by sativa417 on Sept 9, 2008 12:53:05 GMT -4
I was going to respond, but remembered this is the guy that thought UCLA was a better basketball team than Memphis
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 13:32:40 GMT -4
Post by DatBoyWonder on Sept 9, 2008 13:32:40 GMT -4
No... see, that is where I can tell you haven't been following ZBo much. It doesn't matter who is supposed to be the "guy," Randolph will hoist up bad shots at will. Being on a young team like the Grizzlies will make it worse. At least on the Knicks, he had other chuckers hoisting up shots as well, so he didn't have as many.
Agreed. Only thing is... The comparison of ZBo and Gasol have nothing to do about their games... They are both basically 20/10 big men. I'm sure every basketball fan outside of Grizzlie land is wondering the same thing (why trade Gasol because of rebuilding, and then turn around and get Randolph?). It is contradictory anyway you wanna slice it. You don't move Gasol talking about you want to go in a new direction, and then obtain Randolph. Rebuilding doesn't work like that.
I get that much. That was a nice point made by Sativa and I admit I completely overlooked the fact that the Grizzlies will essentially have their same cap space. Still, sometimes an upgrade in talent isn't a no brainer. The Kings thought it was a no brainer to get an upgrade in talent (Artest), and look at the drama he brought there? The Warriors thought it was a no brainer to get an upgrade in talent (Stephen Jackson), and he is still toting guns and getting speeding tickets over there. There are just certain guys who bring drama and are bad influences and you don't want those guys around a young core. Until proven otherwise, ZBo is one of those guys.
Darko isn't horrible. He is a bust, but he isn't horrible. He brings defense (much more than ZBo, thats for sure), and would be a good role player on a good team.
I have now learned that the Grizzlies are asking for a 1st rounder? If it is a first rounder in the near future, then the Grizzlies make out like bandits considering that pick will most likely be a high lotto
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 14:41:23 GMT -4
Post by sativa417 on Sept 9, 2008 14:41:23 GMT -4
warriors were 19-21 before they got SJax, and then went 23-19 with him while having a huge upset win over Dallas in the playoffs. Last season they improved their record to 48-34.
kings were 18-24 before they got artest, and then went 26-14 after they got him. They fell off the next year, but that can be contributed to the loss of head coach rick adelman for eric mussellman. Last year they improved their record despite changing their coach again and trading away mike bibby.
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 15:09:05 GMT -4
Post by DatBoyWonder on Sept 9, 2008 15:09:05 GMT -4
That wasn't the point I was trying to make. I already acknowledged that those guys were an upgrade in talent (and therefore should allow for more wins on the board). That doesn't change the fact that Jackson and Artest still caused their new teams tons of problems with their head case antics. You don't want that around young guys. The difference between this situation and those ones are that the Grizzlies are no where near a playoff team. Those trades were power moves, this trade is.... But ok, I'll play your game... The Knicks went 33-49 in 06-07, traded for ZBo, and then went 23-59. Or maybe we'll go this way... the Grizzlies with Randolph will go 27-55 instead of 22-60
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 15:17:25 GMT -4
Post by Kobe Dominates! on Sept 9, 2008 15:17:25 GMT -4
I think its more likely for Darko to develop into an average starter than for Randolph to
A) Maintain a respectable image on and off the court B) Become a good team leader for the younger player (are there any other veterans on the team?) C) Allow the team to challenge for a playoff spot D) Make the Grizzlies an attractive place for free agents whenever they get around to using that cap space they were so desperate for
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 15:18:08 GMT -4
Post by Kobe Dominates! on Sept 9, 2008 15:18:08 GMT -4
That wasn't the point I was trying to make. I already acknowledged that those guys were an upgrade in talent (and therefore should allow for more wins on the board). That doesn't change the fact that Jackson and Artest still caused their new teams tons of problems with their head case antics. You don't want that around young guys. The difference between this situation and those ones are that the Grizzlies are no where near a playoff team. Those trades were power moves, this trade is.... But ok, I'll play your game... The Knicks went 33-49 in 06-07, traded for ZBo, and then went 23-59. Or maybe we'll go this way... the Grizzlies with Randolph will go 27-55 instead of 22-60 Portland also got better by trading away Zbo
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 15:18:48 GMT -4
Post by sativa417 on Sept 9, 2008 15:18:48 GMT -4
the knicks lost marbury for most of the year. isiah imploded. curry played like shit (some will blame this on Z-bo, but curry has always been inconsistent)
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 15:21:32 GMT -4
Post by sativa417 on Sept 9, 2008 15:21:32 GMT -4
That wasn't the point I was trying to make. I already acknowledged that those guys were an upgrade in talent (and therefore should allow for more wins on the board). That doesn't change the fact that Jackson and Artest still caused their new teams tons of problems with their head case antics. You don't want that around young guys. The difference between this situation and those ones are that the Grizzlies are no where near a playoff team. Those trades were power moves, this trade is.... But ok, I'll play your game... The Knicks went 33-49 in 06-07, traded for ZBo, and then went 23-59. Or maybe we'll go this way... the Grizzlies with Randolph will go 27-55 instead of 22-60 Portland also got better by trading away Zbo yes, their record improved, but you have to consider aldridge and roy now had a season under their belt, and the fact webster and outlaw finally started to live up to some of their potential. with oden healthy they should have an even better year. When young guys gain experience and start to adjust to the NBA game more wins are usually the result
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 15:23:12 GMT -4
Post by sativa417 on Sept 9, 2008 15:23:12 GMT -4
I think its more likely for Darko to develop into an average starter than for Randolph to A) Maintain a respectable image on and off the court B) Become a good team leader for the younger player (are there any other veterans on the team?) C) Allow the team to challenge for a playoff spot D) Make the Grizzlies an attractive place for free agents whenever they get around to using that cap space they were so desperate for I think it's more likely for the Grizz to win a game with Z-Bo starting than with Darko starting
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Z-BO
Sept 9, 2008 15:31:59 GMT -4
Post by Kobe Dominates! on Sept 9, 2008 15:31:59 GMT -4
I think its more likely for Darko to develop into an average starter than for Randolph to A) Maintain a respectable image on and off the court B) Become a good team leader for the younger player (are there any other veterans on the team?) C) Allow the team to challenge for a playoff spot D) Make the Grizzlies an attractive place for free agents whenever they get around to using that cap space they were so desperate for I think it's more likely for the Grizz to win a game with Z-Bo starting than with Darko starting Is that the goal of the franchise? To win a handful more games ensuring them a worse lottery pick next year and adding $10 million to their 2010 cap figure? The upside of this deal is small, the downside involves getting the grizzlies young players involved with a known low character and low work ethic veteran.
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