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Post by rogworld1991 on Apr 22, 2017 22:38:20 GMT -4
MIKE FUCKING CONLEY! I don't care who wins this game, holy fuck this is fun though.
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Post by Derek Fisher on Apr 22, 2017 23:02:27 GMT -4
kawhi wtf
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Post by rogworld1991 on Apr 22, 2017 23:03:56 GMT -4
That was such a dope game holy shit.
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Post by The Trade Launderer on Apr 22, 2017 23:06:14 GMT -4
That was such a dope game holy shit.
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Post by Derek Fisher on Apr 22, 2017 23:19:27 GMT -4
portland might get their one W tonight
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Post by Derek Fisher on Apr 23, 2017 16:46:42 GMT -4
Russell 17/10/10 at halftime
MVP yall
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Post by phdsims on Apr 24, 2017 9:24:25 GMT -4
If okc really wants to increase their bench scoring they could just do what rockets do and start the shittier players and bring the better players off the bench. Pretty clear that nene/Gordon/Lou are better than capela/ariza/Anderson/Beverley.
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Post by phdsims on Apr 26, 2017 8:46:53 GMT -4
Roberson out played ariza Gibson outplayed Anderson Adams outplayed capela.
Thunder non-Russ players shot better from deep than rockets non-harden did.
When the 2 stars were on the floor, in the first 3 quarters, the thunder supporting cast was better than rockets.
Focusing entirely on the 8 minute a game Russ didn't play is not telling the whole story. Because rockets supporting cast for whatever reason played like shit with harden but great without him. Westbrook supporting cast played pretty good with Russ and terrible without him.
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Post by kfilament on Apr 26, 2017 9:43:52 GMT -4
Grizz played pretty well last night, Spurs are (obviously) just a better team top to bottom. I can't see them beating them twice in a row, but would be nice to force a game 7.
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Post by rogworld1991 on Apr 26, 2017 10:43:36 GMT -4
Roberson out played ariza Gibson outplayed Anderson Adams outplayed capela. Thunder non-Russ players shot better from deep than rockets non-harden did. When the 2 stars were on the floor, in the first 3 quarters, the thunder supporting cast was better than rockets. Focusing entirely on the 8 minute a game Russ didn't play is not telling the whole story. Because rockets supporting cast for whatever reason played like shit with harden but great without him. Westbrook supporting cast played pretty good with Russ and terrible without him. Doesn't that go against your narrative though? I thought Russ was losing these games? If his role players played better with him on the floor doesn't that indicate he's making them better, being the only variable? Flat out once again though the bench is the reason the Thunder lost. Russ comes out and the lead vanishes in minutes.
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Post by phdsims on Apr 26, 2017 10:56:29 GMT -4
Roberson out played ariza Gibson outplayed Anderson Adams outplayed capela. Thunder non-Russ players shot better from deep than rockets non-harden did. When the 2 stars were on the floor, in the first 3 quarters, the thunder supporting cast was better than rockets. Focusing entirely on the 8 minute a game Russ didn't play is not telling the whole story. Because rockets supporting cast for whatever reason played like shit with harden but great without him. Westbrook supporting cast played pretty good with Russ and terrible without him. Doesn't that go against your narrative though? I thought Russ was losing these games? If his role players played better with him on the floor doesn't that indicate he's making them better, being the only variable? Flat out once again though the bench is the reason the Thunder lost. Russ comes out and the lead vanishes in minutes. If we focused on the first 3 quarters, yes!! For the first 3 quarters of most the games the rockets support let harden down by being terrible and Russ supporting cast played really good. Opposite of what the regular season narrative was, that harden made his teammates better and Russ didn't. But then there was the 4th quarter. Harden kept trusting his guys and they and him played good in the 4th quarter. Russ quit trusting his guys in the 4th and went hero ball and everyone was worse off for it. Had Russ not played hero ball in the 4th, thunder win the series. Russ had negative plus/minus in the 4th quarter of each game. His guys were better shooting than rockets. He should have given them more chances in the 4th quarter of each game.
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Post by rogworld1991 on Apr 26, 2017 13:39:03 GMT -4
Doesn't that go against your narrative though? I thought Russ was losing these games? If his role players played better with him on the floor doesn't that indicate he's making them better, being the only variable? Flat out once again though the bench is the reason the Thunder lost. Russ comes out and the lead vanishes in minutes. If we focused on the first 3 quarters, yes!! For the first 3 quarters of most the games the rockets support let harden down by being terrible and Russ supporting cast played really good. Opposite of what the regular season narrative was, that harden made his teammates better and Russ didn't. But then there was the 4th quarter. Harden kept trusting his guys and they and him played good in the 4th quarter. Russ quit trusting his guys in the 4th and went hero ball and everyone was worse off for it. Had Russ not played hero ball in the 4th, thunder win the series. Russ had negative plus/minus in the 4th quarter of each game. His guys were better shooting than rockets. He should have given them more chances in the 4th quarter of each game. How can you blame him though? He comes out for the first part of the 4th quarter and the lead is gone. You trusting Roberson to make shots? Hell trusting Roberson on the floor when Houston will auto foul him and send him to the line wher he was 3/21 for the series. Trusting Oladipo? 34.4% from the field for the series. You can only find Steven Adams cutting the paint open so many times before its not there. Doug can't get his own shot, its reliant on other people doing things to get him open. Abrines and Kanter combined for almost 10 shots a game in the series, made 3.6 of them. Trusting them? Russ has to play hero ball and hit those shots for OKC to have a shot.
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Post by phdsims on Apr 26, 2017 13:47:46 GMT -4
Exactly! Doug and dipo and abrines proved they couldn't create their own shot very well. But they proved they can hit open shot.
Thunder shot the 3 ball better than rockets.
Think about that. Thunder role players better shooters than rockets? Ryan Anderson and ariza couldn't make anything. Doug and abrines were over 50% I think from deep. Give them more chances!
It is imperative this analysis split the performance of role players up when playing with and without the star.
Rockets role players were below normal with harden. But rockets role players were way above their normal without him.
Thunder role players were really good with Russ. Look at those 1st quarter leads! But the thunder role players were dreadful without Russ.
But that doesn't mean they were garbage 100% of the time.
Again, Gibson outplayed Anderson by a mile. Adams ate capela lunch every 1st and 3rd quarter. Roberson was way way way way better than ariza as 3 and D guy.
It's just the distribution of when guys were good and bad that people are focusing on.
Just because Gibson/dipo/Roberson/Adams were bad when Russ sat doesn't mean they weren't really good WITH Russ.
Russ being a negative playmaker in 4th quarters had just as large effect as the few minutes he sat.
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Post by Derek Fisher on Apr 26, 2017 20:05:27 GMT -4
Thunder outplayed rockets when Russell was on the floor.
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Post by Derek Fisher on Apr 26, 2017 20:06:45 GMT -4
[ESPN Stats & Info] Russell Westbrook was off the floor for 6 minutes in Game 5. In those 6 minutes, the Rockets outscored the Thunder 27-9.
Lose by like 5 lol
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