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Post by John on Jan 10, 2008 14:49:07 GMT -4
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Post by John on Jan 10, 2008 14:55:34 GMT -4
who else is there? thats pretty much the 5 people that are going to be in th race, although i do realize right now there are more, but really anyone besides Clinton is fine with me... it all depends on what you stand for, but there are many more than just five people running for president. romney, kucinich, giuliani, fred thompson, mike gravel, duncan hunter...
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Post by Jogo on Jan 10, 2008 15:02:00 GMT -4
So I get to give the US Government MORE of my hard-earned $$ to fund her Universal Healthcare program. Then, when I need to use it myself, I'll have to wait behind all of the illegal immigrants I'm now paying for before I get the treatment I need. No thanks... None of my business but I have to praise someone like this. I thought most Americans were selfish but it's nice to see that at least someone is all about giving. Some people wouldn't care about anyone but themselves but at least America still has guys like you who don't mind giving some of their money to help the ones that weren't as fortunate to be born in a better place.
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Post by phdsims on Jan 10, 2008 15:17:22 GMT -4
1. Edwards 2. Obama 3. Ron Paul 4. Not a Republican (and I don't consider Ron Paul a Republican) 5. Not Hillary
Issues I care most about:
1. Health Care for Everyone (being a 27 year old un-insured grad student will do that). 2. Getting the fuck out of Iraq!!!! 3. Shifting the Tax Burden away from the poor and middle class and onto the rich. 4. Changing our authoritarian and pre-emptive national security policy and reduce the budget for the military. 5. Make college more affordable for everyone by increasing government subsidies.
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Post by mancowmilitia on Jan 10, 2008 15:37:38 GMT -4
3. Shifting the Tax Burden away from the poor and middle class and onto the rich. Take a look at the following table based on data from the Congressional Budget Office. The bottom 40% of wage earners provide less than 5% of total tax revenue. If the "rich" are not paying their fair share of the Tax Burden, then what would you be comfortable with?
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Post by phdsims on Jan 10, 2008 16:04:29 GMT -4
anyone making under, say, 20 or 30 grand should not pay anything, IMO....
I also think businesses need to pay more taxes, b/c right now many have managed the legal loop holes to not paying any taxes....
the first thing i would do is roll back those Bush tax cuts, that benefited mostly the rich....
Under the Bush Regime, he has continually cut taxes on dividends and thus increasing the tax burden to those that actually work for a living.....in most republican tax ideas, people that get money by not working should be tax free and only those that work for their money should be taxed...
i disagree with that....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 16:26:56 GMT -4
IMO we need to lesser the tax burden. Not shift it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 16:27:26 GMT -4
And the more taxes businesses pay, the more expensive their product is. So that really doesn't do us a whole lot of good.
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Post by phdsims on Jan 10, 2008 16:36:05 GMT -4
if we lesser the tax burden, who is going to pay for our Billion dollar wars?
i wholeheartedly agree with lessening the amount of taxing, but only if military spending is decreased as well.....
cutting a few social programs in the name of "smaller government and less spending" is futile...
that is like you deciding you need to spend less money and need quit buying a soda at lunch....that 50 cents is meaningless.....
the military spending dwarfs all other spending so much, yet our politicians are afraid to cut the military budget.....
the USA spends more on our military than the rest of the world COMBINED.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 17:30:48 GMT -4
if we lesser the tax burden, who is going to pay for our Billion dollar wars? i wholeheartedly agree with lessening the amount of taxing, but only if military spending is decreased as well..... cutting a few social programs in the name of "smaller government and less spending" is futile... that is like you deciding you need to spend less money and need quit buying a soda at lunch....that 50 cents is meaningless..... the military spending dwarfs all other spending so much, yet our politicians are afraid to cut the military budget..... the USA spends more on our military than the rest of the world COMBINED..... uhh, maybe we shouldn't have Billion dollar wars? That's something that isn't going to change under any of your favorite candidates though.
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Post by rogworld1991 on Jan 10, 2008 17:40:08 GMT -4
well, idk, edwards really seems to be committed to getting out of these long, hard fought, no clear winner wars that we seem to enter...(afgan, iraq, vietnam, though that was a while ago), and you know if you think about it, the whole Palenstine-Israeli thing ain't gonna clear it self up any time soon, so why even try? The biggest thing we need to do right now is worry about OUR country, not iraq, afgan or Israel, im pretty sure Israel can deal with it self, and right now im not sure if there is a way to deal with afgan and iraq. The US just can't go in and kill every single terrorist in the middle east... as long as there is 1, there will be hundreds... so you can't do it... The only sure fire way to eliminate Iraqi and Afgan terrorists is to nuke both countries back into the stone age, but that brigns other problems that we don't want to deal with and that also kills numerous inocent people, so that road is just not gonna work... i think for the time being we can't worry about leading the world into a peacefull state because it just ain't gonna work. I'm sorry but the Arabs and Jews have been fighting since the Jewish religion began. The middle east has ALWAYS been a place of conflict. the US is a fairly new state and needs to worry about its own internal problems if we don't want to end up in that conficting state of being that Europe and Asia has been for the past 2 thousand years and before... ive wrote an essay and thats what ive got to say about foreign policies...
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Post by phdsims on Jan 10, 2008 17:50:27 GMT -4
if we lesser the tax burden, who is going to pay for our Billion dollar wars? i wholeheartedly agree with lessening the amount of taxing, but only if military spending is decreased as well..... cutting a few social programs in the name of "smaller government and less spending" is futile... that is like you deciding you need to spend less money and need quit buying a soda at lunch....that 50 cents is meaningless..... the military spending dwarfs all other spending so much, yet our politicians are afraid to cut the military budget..... the USA spends more on our military than the rest of the world COMBINED..... uhh, maybe we shouldn't have Billion dollar wars? That's something that isn't going to change under any of your favorite candidates though. i agree....so that is why i think we should tax the rich more to pay for those stupid wars... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 17:53:38 GMT -4
Why should the rich be forced to pay for blowing stuff up thousands of miles away? Many of them have worked hard to be where they are, and you want to punish them for their hard work?
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Post by phdsims on Jan 10, 2008 18:04:48 GMT -4
1) b/c if we are going to have these wars, the poor and middle class can't afford to pay anymore money to keep funding them...the only class of citizens with the free cash to pay for them are the richer Americans....2) b/c the main beneficiaries of these wars are the rich
and truthfully, i'm only 27 and don't have an appreciation of how hard these millionaires have worked....Growing up, almost every kid I knew that came from a family that was very well off (say a family making 6 figures or more) were lazy and thought society owed them something for their families being well off......
it is more likely that these rich kids that I have/had little respect for will also fall into being rich based on family connections....
in time, i'm sure my opinions will change....i grew up in a conservative family...then in college found my own voice and become an "independent liberal"....who knows where i'll go in time....
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Post by Jogo on Jan 10, 2008 20:24:31 GMT -4
The biggest thing we need to do right now is worry about OUR country, not iraq, afgan or Israel, im pretty sure Israel can deal with it self, and right now im not sure if there is a way to deal with afgan and iraq. I think you need to start by realising the US troops went there exactly for worring about "OUR" country. You can argue if the main reasons were political or economical or whatever but by now it's concensual to say that the US troops didn't went there to help anyone on the middle-east.
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