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Post by nbthriller80 on Feb 27, 2007 1:33:13 GMT -4
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Post by clipps4life on Feb 27, 2007 1:43:01 GMT -4
The god I worshipped is injured. THis sucks ima hang myself
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Post by nbthriller80 on Feb 27, 2007 1:49:12 GMT -4
Yeah, their are definitely a lot of Shaun Livingston fanboys on the internet. This is probably like their 9/11.
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Post by rjstew94 on Feb 27, 2007 2:48:21 GMT -4
Horrible injury. I'd agree the worst I've seen in Basketball. I could name 3 awful ones I've seen in football. I hate seeing injuries like that.
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Post by Marcus on Feb 27, 2007 4:17:48 GMT -4
Dam thats crazy, sorry to c him go down like that
he will b bac tho
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Post by rjstew94 on Feb 27, 2007 6:46:24 GMT -4
Looked nasty but I guess it's only a dislocated knee. I think his knees will continually be a problem throughout his career so I doubt he's going to be around for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2007 14:02:26 GMT -4
Worst I've seen since Kermit sucker punched Rudy-T in the face.
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Post by Pem on Feb 27, 2007 14:25:49 GMT -4
Did you guys see that Wisconsin player in the Wis/Ohio State game on Sunday? His elbow was sticking out in a direction not humanly possible. That LOOKED much more painful than Livingston's...
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Post by BigNRichBBALL on Feb 27, 2007 17:53:51 GMT -4
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Post by bballmstr32 on Feb 27, 2007 21:26:55 GMT -4
oh boy did that look horirble
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Post by mikelynch34 on Feb 27, 2007 22:36:47 GMT -4
Wow, that is bad. I missed that somehow earlier.
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Post by Dan on Feb 27, 2007 22:51:20 GMT -4
Wow.
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Post by DSP2489 on Feb 27, 2007 23:10:16 GMT -4
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Post by John on Feb 28, 2007 23:51:40 GMT -4
From the LA Times...
Confirming their worst fears, the Clippers on Tuesday learned that point guard Shaun Livingston might miss the entire 2007-08 season after suffering potentially career-ending knee damage.
An MRI exam revealed that Livingston tore three of the four key ligaments in his left knee — anterior cruciate, posterior cruciate and medial collateral — tore cartilage in the knee and dislocated it when he landed awkwardly after missing a layup on a fastbreak in Monday's victory over the Charlotte Bobcats at Staples Center.
"You're talking about a member of your family, and everyone in your family is affected when something like this happens," Coach Mike Dunleavy said. "Obviously, Shaun is a key member of our team, but that's not your main concern right now. You're thinking about his health."
Livingston, 21, who also suffered a serious injury to his right knee in his rookie season, is expected to have surgery on his left knee in two weeks after the swelling around the damaged area decreases. But many things remained undecided Tuesday because of the severity of the injury, which is uncommon in basketball, team physician Tony Daly said.
The Clippers had not determined who would perform the procedure, whether it would be completed in one step or in stages. Daly planned to consult with colleagues from across the nation before making his recommendation to Livingston.
"Do we pick one ligament, two ligaments, three ligaments all at once? Or do we stagger it? That's where we are right now," Daly said. "My nature is to be conservative, and I have seen people who have had this done by other people and it hasn't worked out.
"That's why we're going to get a bunch of opinions. I'll present it to Shaun and his family, his agent if he wants, and we'll pick the right way to go."
Acknowledging Livingston "might miss all of next year," Daly said he was optimistic that the third-year player's career would continue because "he has worked hard after the other injuries that he's had and he's only 21."
Livingston's knee injury is the most severe Daly has encountered in his career in athletics.
"I've been doing the Clippers for 24 years, and a lot of other people before them, and I've never seen it in basketball," Daly said.
"It's more commonly associated with football … where people actually bang into each other."
Former University of Miami running back Willis McGahee injured three of his four knee ligaments in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl, underwent major surgery and was sidelined for 19 months. Drafted by the Buffalo Bills, McGahee sat out his rookie season and has since rushed for 3,365 yards and 24 touchdowns.
Livingston's injury occurred Monday late in the first quarter of the Clippers' 100-93 win.
Cuttino Mobley stole the ball from Bobcats guard Derek Anderson and tipped it ahead to Livingston, who raced to the basket with a defender in pursuit.
Livingston rushed the shot and was off-balance when he landed. Team physician Steven Shimoyama, Daly's associate, trainer Jasen Powell and paramedics quickly attended to Livingston.
X-rays taken at Staples Center were negative. Livingston was transported by ambulance to Centinela Freeman Regional Medical Center in Inglewood, where he underwent further tests and was released late Monday night.
"I watched the video a lot, and it was a freak accident, that's for sure," Daly said. "How he could generate such force to do that to the knee and the kneecap…. We haven't seen a lot of these.
"No one has done a hundred or so of these [surgeries]. We're going to pick the people whose opinions I trust and then we'll come to some consensus."
Livingston came under considerable criticism this season for his play as the Clippers struggled to stay at .500, although statistically he was having his best season, averaging 9.3 points and 5.1 assists in 54 games. He is guaranteed $4.4 million next season.
The Clippers (27-29) are one of the biggest disappointments in the NBA this season and Livingston's injury could derail the team's bid to qualify for the playoffs.
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Post by John on Mar 3, 2007 14:24:08 GMT -4
From the LA Times...
Watching Shaun Livingston blow out his left knee Monday night was the most heartbreaking scene since Bambi's mother got shot in the meadow.
If the sight of the likable Livingston writhing in pain wasn't discouraging enough, there's this harsh realization: The fate of the franchise hit the deck along with him.
The cold facts: Both sides could lose substantial money from this horrific injury.
As Livingston's displaced kneecap told Coach Mike Dunleavy what the MRI would confirm the next day — Livingston was done for the season — Dunleavy also thought about how well the young point guard had played in recent practices where he looked ready to make that long-awaited leap. He even allowed a "poor us" thought for the team. One other thought crossed his mind: Livingston's coming up on a contract year.
The Clippers can sign Livingston (who is guaranteed $4.4 million in 2007-08) to an extension before next season, just as they signed Chris Kaman to a five-year, $52-million extension last fall.
Surely the Clippers would have had to commit to Livingston. They'd already made a philosophical commitment to him when they kept him out of trade discussions that could have brought, say, Allen Iverson to the Clippers.
Now there's no way they can tie up big dollars in Livingston. This could wind up costing him upward of $40 million. It hurts just writing that, and it's not even my money.
In the best-case scenario, Livingston will return to the court next fall. That's one possibility team physician Tony Daly laid out. Then again, it could take a full year. We're talking about a torn anterior cruciate ligament, a torn medial collateral ligament and a torn posterior cruciate ligament, a torn lateral meniscus and a dislocated kneecap.
"No one's seen a lot of these," Daly said.
There's a chance his knee could get stiff after the surgery. There's a chance, on the other extreme, that it might not be as stable.
Here's the one thing we know for certain about Livingston: He's injury prone. It's undeniable. His high-water mark for games in his three seasons is last year's 61. He sat out 39 games because of a dislocated right knee and 12 with torn cartilage in his shoulder as a rookie. A bad back kept him out of the first 21 games last year. Now he'll miss the final 26 games this season, off a play that didn't even involve another player, just an awkward landing after a layup.
The future of one of the expected franchise cornerstones is in doubt and guess what goes out in the mail this month? Clippers season-ticket renewal forms! Featuring new and increased prices! Somehow I don't think the idea of paying more for a diminished product will be that appealing. So while the payroll increases (Kaman's salary more than doubles next season, to $8.6 million), the season-ticket base could decrease. You don't need Alan Greenspan to tell you that's not a good economic situation.
The Clippers thought they were all set at point guard for now with Sam Cassell and down the road with Livingston. Now Livingston's career is in jeopardy, while Cassell, under contract for one more year, has looked every bit of age 37 this season.
The Clippers have to look at a point guard with their first-round draft pick (they also could gain Minnesota's first rounder if it's not among the top 10). That's why I spent most of the first half of Wednesday's Clippers-SuperSonics game watching Texas and Texas A&M on TV, scouting D.J. Augustin and Acie Law IV. Liked the freshman Augustin's elusiveness and the senior Law's decision-making and toughness in crunch time, when he made a three-point shot to send the game into overtime and another to send it into double OT.
Clippers officials say they're focused on the immediate task of getting to the playoffs with what they have now.
They're currently in eighth place in the Western Conference and not completely dead in the playoff race, simply because the Denver Nuggets haven't committed to defense, the New Orleans Hornets have been even more injury-prone than the Clippers and Kevin Garnett seems headed toward a showdown with Kevin McHale.
But even if they get in, they're looking at a seventh or eighth seed, a first-round matchup with Phoenix or Dallas, and a quick trip home.
Dunleavy planned to lighten Cassell's workload this season to keep him fresh for the playoffs. That plan's gone now, and the ailing Cassell can expect plenty of 35-minute nights.
"If I break down, I break down," Cassell said. "But I'm going to give it my all."
As much as I love Cassell's honesty, that quote doesn't inspire a lot of confidence, does it?
They were a game away from the conference finals last year, so anything short of that means they've regressed — whether they go to the playoffs or the lottery.
At this point they'd be better off with a higher draft pick to choose their point guard of the future — a future that's murkier than ever.
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