Maybe it's just me but I'd take a good 1-2-3-4 over a great 1-2 so the best pitching staff in the league has to be the Red Sox. Beckett-Lester-Lackey-Matsuzaka (Buchholz/Wakefield). Any given game, they have a SP capable of giving them the win.
The Angels have the offense, but no pitching now. As it stands they have Saunders, Santana, Weaver, and Kazmir - those are all decent pitchers but they arent good enough to win a division; you need an ace to take the ball to stop a losing streak and they dont have it.
I dont think the Phils needed to make this trade. People knew they wouldnt be able to keep him and Halladay, but is Halladay that much of an upgrade over Lee? Probably not. Plus Lee took them deep into the playoffs and proved he could pitch in big situations. Halladay is an injury risk and although great has been on the DL quite a few times. Plus giving up two great prospects is tough in this day and age.
Aumont, according to some guys (Law, Olney, Heyman) say he is great, better than Drabek. Faster fastball, a bit better control, just a complete package. I dont know if you guys saw but the Blow Jays flipped Taylor for Brett Wallace to the A's. Another terrible deal. Taylor is MLB ready and the BJ's need an OF right now. Ricciardi left this team in a mess. Wells is a nothing guy, they have no catching, no starting pitching, and no MI. They really need everything.
I never really considered John Lackey a true Ace, I thought of him as more of a 2 so to me, it's a loss for the Angels, but they always win. Always. There better than the Mariners until they get power in there lineup. And after Lee/Felix, who do they got? Morrow? He can't stay healthy.
Bottom line is, we should have just stuck to the Halladay deal, and didn't get rid of lee. We could have easily traded Joe Blanton to a team and keep to what budget they wanted (140 MILL). Then we we'd probably win it all...The thing is, we could have took 2 prospects back after Lee left which is not bad at all. And the last 4 years Halladay has stayed healthy so really not that big of a deal, but Lee dominated the postseason and while I feel halladay can do the same, you just don't know.
With Aumont, you're reading into it very wrong. He's been relieving for some reason (Not sure, maybe someone near Seattle could answer that), and his control isn't great. He's developing secondary pitches and a scout said he dominated 1 start and shit the bed in the next. And with Toronto's situation, there middle infield was very solid last year with Hill/Scutaro...don't know what the hell you're talking about there.
They give up above avg Reliever, and a good prospect catcher, and a good prospect fielder for a former CY Young pitcher.... He's only costing us 9 million bucks, and he may end up loving pitching at pitcher friendly Safeco, and want to sign an extension.
The M's can still go after Beltre or Bay. Not too mention, this deal didn't cost us any of our top farm players, so we can still make trades and bring in another bat. We still have Morrow, tuissopo, Ackley (not that the M's would trade him)
They gave up the reliever (aumont) and the LF (Gillis), but they didn't give up a catcher...they gave up JC Ramirez who's a starter. And if Lee really wants the money he wants you're going to have to commit the same $ with King Felix, which to me is not going to happen. Seattle, obviously, is going to keep King Felix and let Lee walk. They still need a power hitter or there not going to finish ahead of Texas.
M's need to resign Branyan at 1st or Nick Johnson, then add a decent OF, that isn't expensive and maybe one more arm. All in all, I would like the M's to have a shot at resigning lee and Felix, because that would be awesome to watch for years to me. So, that is why I don't want Bay or any other big money guy. Bay would be sick, but if we get him, that might mean later to Lee, who will be getting around a similar amount as Bay per year.
LOL...Lee wants Sabthia type money...you really think jason bay is going to get that?
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Post by Seattle Slough on Dec 16, 2009 21:29:18 GMT -4
Lee will get more money then Bay for sure, but not by a ton more, maybe 5 mil a year more, so I would rather have lee for that much more a year, than to sign Bay. Not to mention RH don't do quite as well in Safeco and Bay is coming from Happy RH little league wall. So, I feel his stats are inflated anyways; still a great player and would love to have him, but I don't think he will produce the same numbers.
Post by Mogwai Mode on Dec 17, 2009 1:55:06 GMT -4
Love this deal for the M's, whether or not we are able to extend Lee, it's really a no-lose situation for us. We are definitely on par with the Angels right now, if not better.
To answer the question about Aumont, there a a few theories as to why the Mariners turned him into a reliever. One was that they wanted to try and get him to the majors around September had the M's still been in the playoff hunt and the fastest way to do that was as a reliever. Another was that they didn't see Aumont ever developing the secondary pitches he need to compliment his fastball so they moved him to relief. Aumont does have a lot of talent but he's your typical young fireballer. He throws a lot of fastballs, lacks any dependable secondary pitches, and has gotten by so far with just one good pitch. Just another high risk/high reward type guy.
I know Bradely is horrible with any team he come onto, but I have to say that the mariners probably made a good deal here. Silva is beyond horrible, Bradley is above average. Bradley is an okay hitter, Silva was a waste. I still don't think this fills the hole at the 3-4 spots in the lineup, but not a bad trade here.
Post by Seattle Slough on Dec 18, 2009 22:50:49 GMT -4
Great deal for the M's. We trade a guy who couldn't get an ERA below 6 in a pitchers park. Not to mention he was always on the Dl, for a career .371 OBP guy in Bradley who is placed in a need position in LF. He made something into nothing, as long as Bradley doesn't act up, which isn't in our favor,lol, but if we are winning he is usually tamer.
Post by Seattle Slough on Dec 18, 2009 22:53:56 GMT -4
M's need to resign Branyan or beltre to a one or two year deal. Basically whoever is cheaper, but I wouldn't mind having Beltre back because of the D, which would make us one of the top defenses in the league easily. I wanted Nick Johnson, but the bastard went to the Yanks DL.
Still plenty of talent still readily available in Fa and the M's are looking to clean up their holes it looks like, which is always great from a fan's perspective. As long as they are one and two year deals.
Watch out for Texas...I think there the best team in that division.
Right on the money with this and they now get Cliff Lee. What an addition for them. I would bash the Mariners for how terrible they are and how stupid they were for even thinking about competing with the team they have, but I can't. They got more value for Lee than we did. The Phillies got scrubs for him...
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