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Post by Derek Fisher on Jul 4, 2016 13:40:41 GMT -4
Wtf really
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Post by phdsims on Jul 4, 2016 14:41:48 GMT -4
stupid
so, who is bogut getting traded to in order to make cap room?
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Post by Derek Fisher on Jul 4, 2016 15:16:24 GMT -4
stupid so, who is bogut getting traded to in order to make cap room? Fucking Cuban
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Post by sirphawk on Jul 4, 2016 18:42:12 GMT -4
Not a huge amount of loyalty in the game is there
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Post by Derek Fisher on Jul 5, 2016 16:53:13 GMT -4
David West and Zaza signed for mins smh
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Post by J-Sav on Jul 5, 2016 22:13:13 GMT -4
It's seriously testing my Warrior fandom. This shit is weak.
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Post by Dan on Jul 5, 2016 22:30:54 GMT -4
When the Detroit Pistons beat Michael Jordan, he didn't go running to them. He took his licks, picked himself up, worked TREMENDOUSLY hard on his body, and became the best player ever because of how much that initial struggle motivated him.
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Post by kfilament on Jul 6, 2016 9:03:35 GMT -4
I am kind of torn. As a fan of another West team I hate to see it, b/c now the Warriors are fucking insane. But...putting myself in KD's shoes, I would say "Fuck y'all." He doesn't owe anything to OKC, it's fan, it's owners, etc. If anything, the people who have the most "right" to be angry are the players on OKC, but again, they will all be paid handsomely this year to play basketball, so not feeling too much sorrow. I think it's bad for the league and it's image, which, if we all remember, the success of the league is why this whole shit show got started in the first place with the cap jump.
In defense of the league, the commish saw this coming, and thats why he suggested cap smoothing, but of course the NBAPA voted that down.
I saw a great article, I forget by who, but basically it laid out the only way to stop the "Big 3 movement": let superstars make more. In essence, remove caps on individual salaries. Let Lebron and KD make $50 million a year and you will truly have 'player sharing', to use a term from the commish. If say...Denver could have offered KD $45 million a year, he would have gone there in a heart beat. But if we are going to keep the salaries of top tier players down, such that a team can 'afford' 2-3 max players, then we will have what we have now.
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Post by Derek Fisher on Jul 6, 2016 12:43:41 GMT -4
I am kind of torn. As a fan of another West team I hate to see it, b/c now the Warriors are fucking insane. But...putting myself in KD's shoes, I would say "Fuck y'all." He doesn't owe anything to OKC, it's fan, it's owners, etc. If anything, the people who have the most "right" to be angry are the players on OKC, but again, they will all be paid handsomely this year to play basketball, so not feeling too much sorrow. I think it's bad for the league and it's image, which, if we all remember, the success of the league is why this whole shit show got started in the first place with the cap jump. In defense of the league, the commish saw this coming, and thats why he suggested cap smoothing, but of course the NBAPA voted that down. I saw a great article, I forget by who, but basically it laid out the only way to stop the "Big 3 movement": let superstars make more. In essence, remove caps on individual salaries. Let Lebron and KD make $50 million a year and you will truly have 'player sharing', to use a term from the commish. If say...Denver could have offered KD $45 million a year, he would have gone there in a heart beat. But if we are going to keep the salaries of top tier players down, such that a team can 'afford' 2-3 max players, then we will have what we have now. The problem with this is LA and the Knicks would get everybody. This is the problem in baseball. You'd need a cap to prevent that. No max + hard cap is the way to go
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Post by kfilament on Jul 6, 2016 13:27:15 GMT -4
I am kind of torn. As a fan of another West team I hate to see it, b/c now the Warriors are fucking insane. But...putting myself in KD's shoes, I would say "Fuck y'all." He doesn't owe anything to OKC, it's fan, it's owners, etc. If anything, the people who have the most "right" to be angry are the players on OKC, but again, they will all be paid handsomely this year to play basketball, so not feeling too much sorrow. I think it's bad for the league and it's image, which, if we all remember, the success of the league is why this whole shit show got started in the first place with the cap jump. In defense of the league, the commish saw this coming, and thats why he suggested cap smoothing, but of course the NBAPA voted that down. I saw a great article, I forget by who, but basically it laid out the only way to stop the "Big 3 movement": let superstars make more. In essence, remove caps on individual salaries. Let Lebron and KD make $50 million a year and you will truly have 'player sharing', to use a term from the commish. If say...Denver could have offered KD $45 million a year, he would have gone there in a heart beat. But if we are going to keep the salaries of top tier players down, such that a team can 'afford' 2-3 max players, then we will have what we have now. The problem with this is LA and the Knicks would get everybody. This is the problem in baseball. You'd need a cap to prevent that. No max + hard cap is the way to go I agree with no max and a cap of some sort. Not sure if it should be a hard cap though. Maybe a limitation on the use of Bird Rights, like only x number of Bird signings per x number of years?
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Post by J-Sav on Jul 6, 2016 14:01:31 GMT -4
NBA is hanging itself. People want to see stars going at each other, not joining up. It would have been more compelling if KD went to the Clippers, Spurs, or go out east to the Celtics or NY. But joining with the dubs is just a coward move. Lost so much respect for him. And basektball is becoming a joke. I understand wanting to get a title, but at the cost of your integrity? This is worse than Lebron, because Lebron left he left a roster that was no good. And when he was in Miami, Wade was hurt all the time, and not the same, and Bosh was never the same. SO I have big problem with this. I don't want to be some ogre of a team dominating people. I wanna see teams compete!
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Post by Bish on Jul 6, 2016 15:27:51 GMT -4
The NBA is more popular than it has ever been. The Warriors have a pretty good chance of winning next year, but other teams will find a way.
Also, this is technically the fault of the players, who didn't want to smooth out the huge cap jumps, leading to everyone having room to sign max players right now. So this is a weird historical aberration that won't happen again.
I hope KD keeps giving the middle finger to anyone who questions him. Dude can do what he wants. OKC doesn't own him. He didn't demand a trade. He completed his contract and picked where he wanted to play next, as was his right.
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Post by FAC¯\_(ツ)_/¯TOR on Jul 7, 2016 2:57:56 GMT -4
The Bay Area >>>> entire state of Oklahoma and every state around it Business is business. Best chance to win, bigger market, more attention, more money off the court with potential Silicon Valley ventures and endorsements. I'm not mad at him at all.
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Post by rogworld1991 on Jul 7, 2016 16:55:03 GMT -4
The NBA is more popular than it has ever been. The Warriors have a pretty good chance of winning next year, but other teams will find a way. Also, this is technically the fault of the players, who didn't want to smooth out the huge cap jumps, leading to everyone having room to sign max players right now. So this is a weird historical aberration that won't happen again.
I hope KD keeps giving the middle finger to anyone who questions him. Dude can do what he wants. OKC doesn't own him. He didn't demand a trade. He completed his contract and picked where he wanted to play next, as was his right. Can you blame them? Someone gets that money this year, the owners pocket it or the players get it. You choose, not saying you are saying you are against it, just saying. It IS the players fault but you seriously can't blame them.
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Post by rogworld1991 on Jul 7, 2016 16:59:22 GMT -4
I am kind of torn. As a fan of another West team I hate to see it, b/c now the Warriors are fucking insane. But...putting myself in KD's shoes, I would say "Fuck y'all." He doesn't owe anything to OKC, it's fan, it's owners, etc. If anything, the people who have the most "right" to be angry are the players on OKC, but again, they will all be paid handsomely this year to play basketball, so not feeling too much sorrow. I think it's bad for the league and it's image, which, if we all remember, the success of the league is why this whole shit show got started in the first place with the cap jump. In defense of the league, the commish saw this coming, and thats why he suggested cap smoothing, but of course the NBAPA voted that down. I saw a great article, I forget by who, but basically it laid out the only way to stop the "Big 3 movement": let superstars make more. In essence, remove caps on individual salaries. Let Lebron and KD make $50 million a year and you will truly have 'player sharing', to use a term from the commish. If say...Denver could have offered KD $45 million a year, he would have gone there in a heart beat. But if we are going to keep the salaries of top tier players down, such that a team can 'afford' 2-3 max players, then we will have what we have now. The problem with this is LA and the Knicks would get everybody. This is the problem in baseball. You'd need a cap to prevent that. No max + hard cap is the way to go Do we really want to go from the exciting NBA free agency we just had to the boring NFL free agency? Really? I don't. I love the NBA for all the drama it produces at the deadline and in free agency. This is fun. And the NBA isn't hanging itself, J-Sav. They have had major publicity in its off season for what... three weeks now? Since the draft. Thats a huge win. And Warriors broke rating records last year, every road game they played at was a sellout or near sellout(not sure if this is actually true, just heard it said on twitter by a beat reporter), adding a top 5 player is only going to push those numbers higher. The NBA has so much publicity right now and its all positive, even if its fans hating one of the players for it. A villain is AWESOME for the game, and the Warriors became one of the biggest, if not the biggest, this off season. This is awesome for the game, even if it somewhat ruins the parity this year. The Warriors are going to either sacrifice $$$$$ or sacrifice pieces next year if KD opts out like expected. Especially with the cap not expected to rise as much as they thought it would.
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