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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Dec 23, 2008 20:23:42 GMT -4
Baseball has way too much young talent for people to think one team can have it in the bag. This is great for the Yankees because it shows its spending the money they earn, but it doesn't hurt the league at all. Yankees have had the highest payroll for years, and have nothing to show for it as far as titles go. But they give their fans something to look forward to each season, and that keeps them being able to build a new stadium and pay for these players. But baseball has way too much talent, to think the Yankees have it in the bag. It's not basketball where young players aren't as important as vets. Look at the MVP of the league for baseball, and Lebron James has yet to win one. Imagine an NBA where the Lakers and Celtics have a monopoly on all elite young talent coming out of Asia and get to offer Lebron as well as several other top free agents a maximum contract next year. Thats basically the MLB right now. How do you figure? How many Randy Johnson are there? CC will be good for a few more seasons, but the likely hood of him being a top pitcher for 7 seasons is slim. The Indians, and Brewers more than likely got CC's best years. The Marlins got Burnetts best years. Baseball is a young mans game, and all the top prospects are all over the league right now. Not too many are wearing pin stripes, hell the Red Sox have better young talent IMO. BTW, Lakers have Pau, Kobe, Bynum. Celtics have PP, Allen, and Garnett. The NBA is very top heavy because of this, and IMO it will suffer for it. But baseball isn't the NBA, and just becuase you get the players with the best stats, doesn't mean you have the best players. |
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Dec 23, 2008 20:34:53 GMT -4
Imagine an NBA where the Lakers and Celtics have a monopoly on all elite young talent coming out of Asia and get to offer Lebron as well as several other top free agents a maximum contract next year. Thats basically the MLB right now. How do you figure? How many Randy Johnson are there? CC will be good for a few more seasons, but the likely hood of him being a top pitcher for 7 seasons is slim. The Indians, and Brewers more than likely got CC's best years. The Marlins got Burnetts best years. Baseball is a young mans game, and all the top prospects are all over the league right now. Not too many are wearing pin stripes, hell the Red Sox have better young talent IMO. BTW, Lakers have Pau, Kobe, Bynum. Celtics have PP, Allen, and Garnett. The NBA is very top heavy because of this, and IMO it will suffer for it. But baseball isn't the NBA, and just becuase you get the players with the best stats, doesn't mean you have the best players. Buying the best players every year doesn't guarantee anything but it does give the top money making franchises huge advantages over the other teams. All of those young top prospects will be wearing pin stripes or red socks by the time they reach salary arbitration. The Rays will suffer the same fate as the A's before them. Eventually the young talented and cheap teams become victims of their own success and fade back away to mediocrity. |
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Dec 23, 2008 20:41:37 GMT -4
How do you figure? How many Randy Johnson are there? CC will be good for a few more seasons, but the likely hood of him being a top pitcher for 7 seasons is slim. The Indians, and Brewers more than likely got CC's best years. The Marlins got Burnetts best years. Baseball is a young mans game, and all the top prospects are all over the league right now. Not too many are wearing pin stripes, hell the Red Sox have better young talent IMO. BTW, Lakers have Pau, Kobe, Bynum. Celtics have PP, Allen, and Garnett. The NBA is very top heavy because of this, and IMO it will suffer for it. But baseball isn't the NBA, and just becuase you get the players with the best stats, doesn't mean you have the best players. Buying the best players every year doesn't guarantee anything but it does give the top money making franchises huge advantages over the other teams. All of those young top prospects will be wearing pin stripes or red socks by the time they reach salary arbitration. The Rays will suffer the same fate as the A's before them. Eventually the young talented and cheap teams become victims of their own success and fade back away to mediocrity. So should the Sox, and Yanks pocket the money instead? I'd rather them spend the money, so at the end of the year when the Rays, Angels, Whitesox, Mariners, Indians bounce them out of the plauoffs, I can laugh. I think its great for the Yanks to show their fans thanks for spending money on the tickets, hot dogs, merchandise, beer, and stadium by spending every dime the fans give to them, on bringing in the top talent. Where does the Marlins money go? Where does the A's money go? Atleast with the Yanks you know where its going, and obviously the fans are ok with it |
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Post by Ballin on Dec 23, 2008 20:42:23 GMT -4
How do you figure? How many Randy Johnson are there? CC will be good for a few more seasons, but the likely hood of him being a top pitcher for 7 seasons is slim. The Indians, and Brewers more than likely got CC's best years. The Marlins got Burnetts best years. Baseball is a young mans game, and all the top prospects are all over the league right now. Not too many are wearing pin stripes, hell the Red Sox have better young talent IMO. BTW, Lakers have Pau, Kobe, Bynum. Celtics have PP, Allen, and Garnett. The NBA is very top heavy because of this, and IMO it will suffer for it. But baseball isn't the NBA, and just becuase you get the players with the best stats, doesn't mean you have the best players. Buying the best players every year doesn't guarantee anything but it does give the top money making franchises huge advantages over the other teams. All of those young top prospects will be wearing pin stripes or red socks by the time they reach salary arbitration. The Rays will suffer the same fate as the A's before them. Eventually the young talented and cheap teams become victims of their own success and fade back away to mediocrity. Your right but at the same time it is a cycle. There will always be that young talented team every year, because in baseball there are so many great players unlike other sports. The Marlins Rays and other small market teams rely on the farm system every year to produce new good young guys, while some of the time there teams will suck. Once in a while you will get a year like the Marlins had when they had Becket Dontrell and them and like the Rays had here. You cant say its a monopoly the Yankees havnt won a title since 2000 the league is too smart to let a team take over the league. |
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Dec 23, 2008 20:48:44 GMT -4
Buying the best players every year doesn't guarantee anything but it does give the top money making franchises huge advantages over the other teams. All of those young top prospects will be wearing pin stripes or red socks by the time they reach salary arbitration. The Rays will suffer the same fate as the A's before them. Eventually the young talented and cheap teams become victims of their own success and fade back away to mediocrity. So should the Sox, and Yanks pocket the money instead? I'd rather them spend the money, so at the end of the year when the Rays, Angels, Whitesox, Mariners, Indians bounce them out of the plauoffs, I can laugh. I think its great for the Yanks to show their fans thanks for spending money on the tickets, hot dogs, merchandise, beer, and stadium by spending every dime the fans give to them, on bringing in the top talent. Where does the Marlins money go? Where does the A's money go? Atleast with the Yanks you know where its going, and obviously the fans are ok with it I'm not blaming the Yankees or any other team for spending money. I blame the commisioner and the owners as a whole for not implementing a system similar to the NFLs salary cap that allows the Green Bay Packers to operate on an even playing field to the Washington Redskins. The current system that consists of some sort of luxury tax obviously has done nothing to bridge the gap between the two types of teams. |
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Dec 23, 2008 20:57:59 GMT -4
So should the Sox, and Yanks pocket the money instead? I'd rather them spend the money, so at the end of the year when the Rays, Angels, Whitesox, Mariners, Indians bounce them out of the plauoffs, I can laugh. I think its great for the Yanks to show their fans thanks for spending money on the tickets, hot dogs, merchandise, beer, and stadium by spending every dime the fans give to them, on bringing in the top talent. Where does the Marlins money go? Where does the A's money go? Atleast with the Yanks you know where its going, and obviously the fans are ok with it I'm not blaming the Yankees or any other team for spending money. I blame the commisioner and the owners as a whole for not implementing a system similar to the NFLs salary cap that allows the Green Bay Packers to operate on an even playing field to the Washington Redskins. The current system that consists of some sort of luxury tax obviously has done nothing to bridge the gap between the two types of teams. I don't think it's so bad seeing how the Yanks last titile was back when Whitney Houston was drug free  |
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Dec 23, 2008 21:11:10 GMT -4
I'm not blaming the Yankees or any other team for spending money. I blame the commisioner and the owners as a whole for not implementing a system similar to the NFLs salary cap that allows the Green Bay Packers to operate on an even playing field to the Washington Redskins. The current system that consists of some sort of luxury tax obviously has done nothing to bridge the gap between the two types of teams. I don't think it's so bad seeing how the Yanks last titile was back when Whitney Houston was drug free That's not even a credible argument. The Yankees had been to the playoffs 13 years in a row before this year. The problem is not the Yankees being too dominant. Its a system that makes teams unable to afford their own home grown talent. I believe there is some sort of draft pick compensation at least thats what the broke ass Padres GM is always talking about. But baseball draft picks are the most voltaile in all of sports and even when they are completely sure things Scott Boras as an agent is enough for the broke ass teams to pass on selecting the best player because they know they cant afford him. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2008 21:36:17 GMT -4
So should the Sox, and Yanks pocket the money instead? I'd rather them spend the money, so at the end of the year when the Rays, Angels, Whitesox, Mariners, Indians bounce them out of the plauoffs, I can laugh. I think its great for the Yanks to show their fans thanks for spending money on the tickets, hot dogs, merchandise, beer, and stadium by spending every dime the fans give to them, on bringing in the top talent. Where does the Marlins money go? Where does the A's money go? Atleast with the Yanks you know where its going, and obviously the fans are ok with it I'm not blaming the Yankees or any other team for spending money. I blame the commisioner and the owners as a whole for not implementing a system similar to the NFLs salary cap that allows the Green Bay Packers to operate on an even playing field to the Washington Redskins. The current system that consists of some sort of luxury tax obviously has done nothing to bridge the gap between the two types of teams. So you would rather all the money go to the rich white owners. The A's brought in 146 million in revenue last year, the Pirates 137, the Marlins 122. But the Marlins' payroll was 31 million, and Pirates and A's weren't much higher. You're saying that a salary cap would help? What do you want to set it at? 35 mil? There will always be owners who do whatever they can to win, and owners who will do whatever they can to make money. A salary cap won't help that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2008 21:38:04 GMT -4
I don't think it's so bad seeing how the Yanks last titile was back when Whitney Houston was drug free That's not even a credible argument. The Yankees had been to the playoffs 13 years in a row before this year. The problem is not the Yankees being too dominant. Its a system that makes teams unable to afford their own home grown talent. I believe there is some sort of draft pick compensation at least thats what the broke ass Padres GM is always talking about. But baseball draft picks are the most voltaile in all of sports and even when they are completely sure things Scott Boras as an agent is enough for the broke ass teams to pass on selecting the best player because they know they cant afford him. The "broke ass Padres" brought in 167 mil in revenue in 2007. Their player expenses were 80 million. Cry me a fucking river. |
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Dec 23, 2008 21:59:08 GMT -4
That's not even a credible argument. The Yankees had been to the playoffs 13 years in a row before this year. The problem is not the Yankees being too dominant. Its a system that makes teams unable to afford their own home grown talent. I believe there is some sort of draft pick compensation at least thats what the broke ass Padres GM is always talking about. But baseball draft picks are the most voltaile in all of sports and even when they are completely sure things Scott Boras as an agent is enough for the broke ass teams to pass on selecting the best player because they know they cant afford him. The "broke ass Padres" brought in 167 mil in revenue in 2007. Their player expenses were 80 million. Cry me a fucking river. Player expenses? How about the front office and scouting departments? How about the coaches, doctors and trainers? How about the hundreds of employees who man the booths every home game? How about advertising and stadium giveaways? Do you think that shit is free? LOL www.forbes.com/lists/2008/33/biz_baseball08_San-Diego-Padres_336838.html1-Yr Value Chg. 5% Ann. Value Chg. 2 11% Debt/Value 3 45% Revenue 4 $167 mil Operating Inc. 5 $23.6 mil
Player Expenses 6 $80 mil Gate Receipts 7 $67 mil The skinny The San Diego Padres are being squeezed by their debt service on Petco Park. The team financed $173 million of Petco Park's $285 million cost and owns 30% of the stadium. But nonbaseball events have been slow to come to the ballpark, and last season9s budget included a reported $14 million cash contribution from owner John Moores. The Padres will probably need more capital calls to increase their player payroll. For the past few years Moores has used his own money to build the franchise, investing in a baseball academy in the Dominican Republic, improvements to Petco Park and a bigger bonus pool for amateur talent. If you read the numbers correctly, the team itself actually lost money last year. Subtract the $14 million capital infusion by Moores from the 23.6 million and you are down to $9.6 million in paper operating income generated by the team itself. Subtract the $12-14 million in ballpark debt interest payments which Forbes DOES NOT include in the operating income calculation, and you have a 2.5-4.5 million loss, had Moores not made any capital contribution. |
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Dec 23, 2008 22:01:05 GMT -4
I'm not blaming the Yankees or any other team for spending money. I blame the commisioner and the owners as a whole for not implementing a system similar to the NFLs salary cap that allows the Green Bay Packers to operate on an even playing field to the Washington Redskins. The current system that consists of some sort of luxury tax obviously has done nothing to bridge the gap between the two types of teams. So you would rather all the money go to the rich white owners. The A's brought in 146 million in revenue last year, the Pirates 137, the Marlins 122. But the Marlins' payroll was 31 million, and Pirates and A's weren't much higher. You're saying that a salary cap would help? What do you want to set it at? 35 mil? There will always be owners who do whatever they can to win, and owners who will do whatever they can to make money. A salary cap won't help that. Revenue does not equal profits dude. Jesus. |
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Dec 23, 2008 22:02:06 GMT -4
That's not even a credible argument. The Yankees had been to the playoffs 13 years in a row before this year. The problem is not the Yankees being too dominant. Its a system that makes teams unable to afford their own home grown talent. I believe there is some sort of draft pick compensation at least thats what the broke ass Padres GM is always talking about. But baseball draft picks are the most voltaile in all of sports and even when they are completely sure things Scott Boras as an agent is enough for the broke ass teams to pass on selecting the best player because they know they cant afford him. The "broke ass Padres" brought in 167 mil in revenue in 2007. Their player expenses were 80 million. Cry me a fucking river. LOL..... |
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Post by Steve on Dec 23, 2008 22:13:31 GMT -4
The Yankees have always been "stacked" but for the last decade or so have nothing to show with it. I honestly am not that concerned even with the big signings, something always happens, either injuries or stupid player fights, they always end up doing way below what they should be doing. I'm still not big on their manager, didn't he get fired from the fricken Marlins a few years ago? Ouch. Dude, you know what you're talking about? He won the NL Manager of the year award...and it's not because he wasn't a damn good manager....the owner just hated him for some reason. Yes, it's crazy that players get all that dough for playing a game they love to play. You guys act like the yanks have this wrapped up...there no preseason favorites...the Phillies are the team to beat and until someone does that...I don't want to hear any of that shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2008 22:51:59 GMT -4
The "broke ass Padres" brought in 167 mil in revenue in 2007. Their player expenses were 80 million. Cry me a fucking river. Player expenses? How about the front office and scouting departments? How about the coaches, doctors and trainers? How about the hundreds of employees who man the booths every home game? How about advertising and stadium giveaways? Do you think that shit is free? LOL www.forbes.com/lists/2008/33/biz_baseball08_San-Diego-Padres_336838.html1-Yr Value Chg. 5% Ann. Value Chg. 2 11% Debt/Value 3 45% Revenue 4 $167 mil Operating Inc. 5 $23.6 mil
Player Expenses 6 $80 mil Gate Receipts 7 $67 mil The skinny The San Diego Padres are being squeezed by their debt service on Petco Park. The team financed $173 million of Petco Park's $285 million cost and owns 30% of the stadium. But nonbaseball events have been slow to come to the ballpark, and last season9s budget included a reported $14 million cash contribution from owner John Moores. The Padres will probably need more capital calls to increase their player payroll. For the past few years Moores has used his own money to build the franchise, investing in a baseball academy in the Dominican Republic, improvements to Petco Park and a bigger bonus pool for amateur talent. If you read the numbers correctly, the team itself actually lost money last year. Subtract the $14 million capital infusion by Moores from the 23.6 million and you are down to $9.6 million in paper operating income generated by the team itself. Subtract the $12-14 million in ballpark debt interest payments which Forbes DOES NOT include in the operating income calculation, and you have a 2.5-4.5 million loss, had Moores not made any capital contribution. OMG! A stadium that they voluntarily bought is costing them money? You don't say. Boo hoo. If they didn't build a brand new stadium a few years ago then they would be raking in the dollars. And now you want to punish players for the stupidity/greed of a few owners who care more about making money than winning baseball games. |
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Dec 23, 2008 23:07:29 GMT -4
If they didn't build a brand new stadium their gate receipts would be much smaller and they would be forced to pay the lease at Qualcolm. Do you understand simple economics or is this more about the rich white man keeping the brown man down? The brown man who is the best of the best that is and not the brown man who doesn't have a job anymore because his team was contracted.
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