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Post by Jogo on Jul 9, 2009 21:01:31 GMT -4
considering we used the cap in the lakers trade to get Z-Bo, eventhough Z-Bo has his problems, I'd say Pau Gasol <<<<< Z-Bo, Marc Gasol, Darrell Arthur, Javaris Crittenton... Ok. I guess it was misinterpreted cause that seemed like you were saying Z-Bo was way better than Gasol. Looking back yeah, you continued with the rest of the trade. It's still false but yeah, you didn't say Z-bo was better than Gasol.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 21:04:44 GMT -4
The funny thing is Grizzlies fans used to kill Pau for being overpaid and Zbo is only getting paid 450k less and is a hundred times worse. The Memphis owner's strategy is to be on welfare and live off the revenue of the other NBA teams and you are still throwing out that Pau isn't a #1 option line like it means anything. The funny thing is you act like you know what grizz fans think. Grizz fans didn't think Pau was overpaid. Grizz fans thought he was a baby. They didn't turn on him until it was leaked he wanted to be traded, which happens to just about any player in any city once the fans think he doesn't want to be a part of the team. Z-Bo isn't a million times worse. So you can stop that crap right now. Am I a Z-Bo fan? Nope. Would I rather have Gasol? Yep. Doesn't change the fact Gasol isn't leaps and bounds better than Z-Bo. A better passer and a better team player, but both are about the same as an offensive option, neither is that great of a defender (can't tell you how many times I got sick of Gasol playing matador defense), and Z-Bo is a better rebounder. I'm only throwing out the Pau isn't a #1 option line because it's true. Why wouldn't I say something if it's true? Did I say the reason the Grizz traded him was because he wasn't a number #1 option? No. Did I say it wasn't a financial move? No. I live in the LA area. I used to watch Clippers games for the comedy factor when nothing else was on. Trust me whatever personality traits or behaviours you found irritating while watching Pau are nothing compared to what Zbo brings to the floor every game. He is the Stephon Marbury of big men. Compared to Zbo Pau Gasol is Tim Duncan defensively. Check the playoff stats of the big men he guarded in the playoffs the past couple of years.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 21:09:20 GMT -4
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 21:12:15 GMT -4
The funny thing is you act like you know what grizz fans think. Grizz fans didn't think Pau was overpaid. Grizz fans thought he was a baby. They didn't turn on him until it was leaked he wanted to be traded, which happens to just about any player in any city once the fans think he doesn't want to be a part of the team. Z-Bo isn't a million times worse. So you can stop that crap right now. Am I a Z-Bo fan? Nope. Would I rather have Gasol? Yep. Doesn't change the fact Gasol isn't leaps and bounds better than Z-Bo. A better passer and a better team player, but both are about the same as an offensive option, neither is that great of a defender (can't tell you how many times I got sick of Gasol playing matador defense), and Z-Bo is a better rebounder. I'm only throwing out the Pau isn't a #1 option line because it's true. Why wouldn't I say something if it's true? Did I say the reason the Grizz traded him was because he wasn't a number #1 option? No. Did I say it wasn't a financial move? No. I live in the LA area. I used to watch Clippers games for the comedy factor when nothing else was on. Trust me whatever personality traits or behaviours you found irritating while watching Pau are nothing compared to what Zbo brings to the floor every game. He is the Stephon Marbury of big men. Compared to Zbo Pau Gasol is Tim Duncan defensively. Check the playoff stats of the big men he guarded in the playoffs the past couple of years. I'm fully aware Z-Bo is horrible on defense. I'm also fully aware Gasol is horrible on defense, although he managed to do better this year.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 21:14:12 GMT -4
In what world do games between lottery teams have relevance compared to playoff games? Pau has pretty faced the best of the best of offensive threats (Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Carlos Boozer, Dwight Howard, Nene, and KG) when it actually matters and held all of them well below their normal scoring and efficiency.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 21:17:52 GMT -4
I was showing games where they played each other while gasol was in memphis. damn you're dumb
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Post by Jogo on Jul 9, 2009 21:20:50 GMT -4
Lets face it. Gasol isn't a good defensive big men and will never be. But defense is about phisical ability (which is what it is) and effort (which can be increased when motivated) while offensively, there might not be 5 guys with a better inside game and that is probably more valuable than any defensive problems he might have. He shouldn't have been ditched for "financial" reasons period. Dirk is probably one of the worst defensive superstars in the league and he is still a top 10 player in the league easily. Offense > Defense although they say defense wins championship. That's because offensive stars are given as granted. Put 5 defensive specialists on the floor and they don't make the playoffs.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 21:25:21 GMT -4
I was showing games where they played each other while gasol was in memphis. damn you're dumb I could see why that would be more relevant than NBA Finals games against the 1st team All NBA Center. I stand corrected.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 21:26:11 GMT -4
and for the record I am by no means a Z-Bo fan or a Grizz homer. I even got in trouble on the grizz board for making and posting this animation
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 21:28:31 GMT -4
I was showing games where they played each other while gasol was in memphis. damn you're dumb I could see why that would be more relevant than NBA Finals games against the 1st team All NBA Center. I stand corrected. sad. always arguing just to argue. I'd say a game where z-bo plays gasol is far more relevant to a discussion regarding z-bo vs gasol than a game where gasol played dwight howard.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 21:29:23 GMT -4
Dwight Howard vs 76ers: 24ppg 68% FG Dwight Howard vs Celtics: 16.4ppg 55%FG Dwight Howard vs Cavs: 25.8 ppg 65% Dwight Howard vs Lakers: 15.4ppg 48%
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 21:29:38 GMT -4
He shouldn't have been ditched for "financial" reasons period. he asked to be traded
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 21:30:52 GMT -4
I could see why that would be more relevant than NBA Finals games against the 1st team All NBA Center. I stand corrected. sad. always arguing just to argue. I'd say a game where z-bo plays gasol is far more relevant to a discussion regarding z-bo vs gasol than a game where gasol played dwight howard. Why? Its at least two years ago and more than likely between one or two teams who don't have any post season aspirations. Statistics is those type of games couldn't be any more meaningless.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 21:31:21 GMT -4
He shouldn't have been ditched for "financial" reasons period. he asked to be traded so did Kobe.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 21:35:10 GMT -4
Dwight Howard vs 76ers: 24ppg 68% FG Dwight Howard vs Celtics: 16.4ppg 55%FG Dwight Howard vs Cavs: 25.8 ppg 65% Dwight Howard vs Lakers: 15.4ppg 48% Dwight Howard vs Dalembert and a 36 yeard old Ratliff Dwight Howard vs Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis Dwight Howard vs Ilgauskas, Varejao, and an injured Ben Wallace Dwight Howard vs Gasol, Odom, and Bynum Not exactly hard to see why he did worse against the Lakers
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