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Post by Jogo on Jul 9, 2009 21:35:46 GMT -4
Dwight Howard vs 76ers: 24ppg 68% FG Dwight Howard vs Celtics: 16.4ppg 55%FG Dwight Howard vs Cavs: 25.8 ppg 65% Dwight Howard vs Lakers: 15.4ppg 48% That's not just Gasol. Real basketball isn't playground basketball. Real basketball isn't 5 players playing 1 on 1. Players are just the foundation of team defense which is what matter the most. That's why there are coachs and that's why Phil Jackson makes a difference.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 21:37:26 GMT -4
was that before or after he signed that extension with the Lakers and said he didn't want to be traded?
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 21:39:46 GMT -4
Dwight Howard vs 76ers: 24ppg 68% FG Dwight Howard vs Celtics: 16.4ppg 55%FG Dwight Howard vs Cavs: 25.8 ppg 65% Dwight Howard vs Lakers: 15.4ppg 48% That's not just Gasol. Real basketball isn't playground basketball. Real basketball isn't 5 players playing 1 on 1. Players are just the foundation of team defense which is what matter the most. That's why there are coachs and that's why Phil Jackson makes a difference. The Celtics and the Cavs play team defense just as well if not better than the Lakers did last year.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 21:41:02 GMT -4
was that before or after he signed that extension with the Lakers and said he didn't want to be traded? What? The last thing he signed for the Lakers was back in 2004 after Shaq left.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 21:51:49 GMT -4
Dwight Howard vs 76ers: 24ppg 68% FG Dwight Howard vs Celtics: 16.4ppg 55%FG Dwight Howard vs Cavs: 25.8 ppg 65% Dwight Howard vs Lakers: 15.4ppg 48% Dwight Howard vs Dalembert and a 36 yeard old Ratliff Dwight Howard vs Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis Dwight Howard vs Ilgauskas, Varejao, and an injured Ben Wallace Dwight Howard vs Gasol, Odom, and Bynum Not exactly hard to see why he did worse against the Lakers Dalembert is a top 5 shot blocker, Perkins was the starting center for one of the greatest defenses of all time and Ben Wallace is a 4 time DPOY. Are you serious?
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Post by kfilament on Jul 9, 2009 21:56:38 GMT -4
and for the record I am by no means a Z-Bo fan or a Grizz homer. I even got in trouble on the grizz board for making and posting this animation holy shit thats awesome, did you not get banned for that???
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Post by kfilament on Jul 9, 2009 22:02:47 GMT -4
Dwight Howard vs Dalembert and a 36 yeard old Ratliff Dwight Howard vs Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis Dwight Howard vs Ilgauskas, Varejao, and an injured Ben Wallace Dwight Howard vs Gasol, Odom, and Bynum Not exactly hard to see why he did worse against the Lakers Dalembert is a top 5 shot blocker, Perkins was the starting center for one of the greatest defenses of all time and Ben Wallace is a 4 time DPOY. Are you serious? Kendrick perkins has NEVER been on one of the greatest defenses of all time, not sure what that shit is all about. Ben Wallace will probably go down as one of, if not the most, over rated players in all of NBA history. Using excellent defensive play by his perimeter players, (on which was one of the best defenses of all time) Wallace was able roam freely, but one on one he was quite average, and since leaving Detroit he has been fucking sorry. Beyond sorry actually, he couldnt even get on the floor. Add to that his HORRID offensive skills, and well, i just hope he payed chauncey, Rip, Tayshaun and Sheed well for all those awards they won for him. Back on topic. Z-Bo and Pau are both less than stellar defenders one on one. The Lakers play TONS better team D than the Grizz ever thought about, thus making Pau not look so vulnerable. Phil Jackson, the best coach ever, came with an excellent game plan against D-Howard and the Magic, so i would say it was a combination of Pau having better teamates, better strategy, etc as to why Howard was kept in check, not necessarily anything to do with Pau's efforts. I think Z-Bo could have done just as well if they swapped places. Also, grizz fans never considered Pau overpayed, just under testicled.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 22:04:54 GMT -4
Dwight Howard vs Dalembert and a 36 yeard old Ratliff Dwight Howard vs Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis Dwight Howard vs Ilgauskas, Varejao, and an injured Ben Wallace Dwight Howard vs Gasol, Odom, and Bynum Not exactly hard to see why he did worse against the Lakers Dalembert is a top 5 shot blocker, Perkins was the starting center for one of the greatest defenses of all time and Ben Wallace is a 4 time DPOY. Are you serious? Dalembert is a good shot blocker, but only average man to man defender. That's why he's one of the top foulers in the league. Perkins was the starting center for one of the greatest defenses when they had KG. Not Big Baby. Ben Wallace was injured and is past his prime. Are you serious?
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 22:07:39 GMT -4
and for the record I am by no means a Z-Bo fan or a Grizz homer. I even got in trouble on the grizz board for making and posting this animation holy shit thats awesome, did you not get banned for that??? they removed it and said they wouldn't do anything to me since i have no history of it, but was kind of the watch list. this is the other pic i posted. i don't think they took it down
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 22:10:00 GMT -4
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 22:14:12 GMT -4
Dalembert is a top 5 shot blocker, Perkins was the starting center for one of the greatest defenses of all time and Ben Wallace is a 4 time DPOY. Are you serious? Dalembert is a good shot blocker, but only average man to man defender. That's why he's one of the top foulers in the league. Perkins was the starting center for one of the greatest defenses when they had KG. Not Big Baby. Ben Wallace was injured and is past his prime. Are you serious? If you posed the question which team among these four will hold Dwight Howard to his lowest point production and efficiency very few non Laker fans would have said the Lakers. Its almost like you are holding on to Pau Gasol's reputation as a soft/weak defender and at the same time pretending like it doesn't exist.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 22:19:09 GMT -4
Dalembert is a good shot blocker, but only average man to man defender. That's why he's one of the top foulers in the league. Perkins was the starting center for one of the greatest defenses when they had KG. Not Big Baby. Ben Wallace was injured and is past his prime. Are you serious? If you posed the question which team among these four will hold Dwight Howard to his lowest point production and efficiency very few non Laker fans would have said the Lakers. Its almost like you are holding on to Pau Gasol's reputation as a soft/weak defender and at the same time pretending like it doesn't exist. or maybe I'm saying Gasol isn't that great of a defender, but gasol, odom, and bynum are better together than the one's i mentioned.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 22:33:40 GMT -4
www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2008.htmlDefensive Rating 1999-00 NBA 96.3 (8) 2000-01 NBA 94.0 (5) 2001-02 NBA 92.9 (1) 2002-03 NBA 90.0 (1) 2003-04 NBA 87.5 (1) 2004-05 NBA 94.0 (3) 2005-06 NBA 95.2 (3) 2006-07 NBA 94.8 (2) Active 94.4 (1) Career NBA 94.4 (2) Career 94.4 (2) Defensive Win Shares 2000-01 NBA 6.2 (3) 2001-02 NBA 7.2 (1) 2002-03 NBA 7.5 (1) 2003-04 NBA 8.9 (1) 2004-05 NBA 6.4 (1) 2005-06 NBA 6.6 (2) 2006-07 NBA 6.7 (1) Active 64.6 (4) Career NBA 64.6 (11) Career 64.6 (12) The numbers speak for themselves. Big men are always the most important part of the defense. Lets ease up on the revisionist history. www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallabe01.htmlIf money was never a factor, why does Pau not being a true #1 scoring option ever come up?
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 22:36:03 GMT -4
If money was never a factor, why does Pau not being a true #1 scoring option ever come up? Because it means he can't carry a team. Which means he's better suited as a #2 like on the Lakers than forced to be a #1 and lose on a team like the Grizz.
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Post by kfilament on Jul 9, 2009 22:36:31 GMT -4
your #1 scoring option doesnt have to be your highest paid player.
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