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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 22:36:37 GMT -4
If you posed the question which team among these four will hold Dwight Howard to his lowest point production and efficiency very few non Laker fans would have said the Lakers. Its almost like you are holding on to Pau Gasol's reputation as a soft/weak defender and at the same time pretending like it doesn't exist. or maybe I'm saying Gasol isn't that great of a defender, but gasol, odom, and bynum are better together than the one's i mentioned. Odom was busy chasing around Rashard Lewis and Bynum did a good job of making Dwight earn his points at the line for the 20 mins he averaged for the series but lets not pretend that the large majority of defensive responsibility to check Dwight did not fall on Pau's shoulders. We both know its simply not true.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 22:44:44 GMT -4
If money was never a factor, why does Pau not being a true #1 scoring option ever come up? Because it means he can't carry a team. Which means he's better suited as a #2 like on the Lakers than forced to be a #1 and lose on a team like the Grizz. I just don't get the logic. If I'm playing chess without a queen I wouldn't sacrifice my rooks (Pau Gasol) for the highly unlikely chance that my pawns( Marc Gasol. Critteron, late 1st round picks, 7-8 million in cap space) would turn into another one unless it was a sure thing (top 3 pick, top prospect).
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 22:49:16 GMT -4
yes, it was all Gasol. That's why when Gasol was in the playoffs with Memphis he couldn't handle Duncan, Amare, or Dirk. It's easier to look better when you have better teammates.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 22:56:02 GMT -4
Because it means he can't carry a team. Which means he's better suited as a #2 like on the Lakers than forced to be a #1 and lose on a team like the Grizz. I just don't get the logic. If I'm playing chess without a queen I wouldn't sacrifice my rooks for the highly unlikely chance that my pawns( Marc Gasol. Critteron, late 1st round picks, 7-8 million in cap space) would turn into another one unless it was a sure thing (top 3 pick, top prospect). If there's an auction for a chess board and you have more money than anyone else who has the best chance of getting the chess board? The Grizz were banking on signing someone with the cap so you have to factor that into the trade. Last season they tried for Josh Smith, but the Hawks matched. In the end they landed Z-Bo. Not my first choice by far as he's a complete headcase, but strictly from a talent standpoint he alone isn't that far off from Gasol. Is he going to turn the Grizz around? Not likely, but neither would Gasol because unless you're a superstar you need a supporting cast to have any team success.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 22:59:27 GMT -4
yes, it was all Gasol. That's why when Gasol was in the playoffs with Memphis he couldn't handle Duncan, Amare, or Dirk. It's easier to look better when you have better teammates. He's a bad defensive player now because he couldn't check Dirk, Amare and Duncan 3-5 years ago? You act like they are bunch of scrubs. Dirk was the MVP for a reason that season.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 23:01:39 GMT -4
the year before we traded gasol we went 22-60 with him. the year we traded him we were 13-33 at the trade. It became obvious we weren't going to win with him and didn't have the assets to get him what he needed, and didn't have the time to wait on the youth to develop to help Pau. When you factor all that it pretty much means it's time to make a change
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 23:01:46 GMT -4
I just don't get the logic. If I'm playing chess without a queen I wouldn't sacrifice my rooks for the highly unlikely chance that my pawns( Marc Gasol. Critteron, late 1st round picks, 7-8 million in cap space) would turn into another one unless it was a sure thing (top 3 pick, top prospect). If there's an auction for a chess board and you have more money than anyone else who has the best chance of getting the chess board? The Grizz were banking on signing someone with the cap so you have to factor that into the trade. Last season they tried for Josh Smith, but the Hawks matched. In the end they landed Z-Bo. Not my first choice by far as he's a complete headcase, but strictly from a talent standpoint he alone isn't that far off from Gasol. Is he going to turn the Grizz around? Not likely, but neither would Gasol because unless you're a superstar you need a supporting cast to have any team success. Josh Smith isn't any more of a true #1 option than Pau Gasol and signing him was a pipedream given his restricted free agency status. True #1 options rarely hit free agency and when they do they don't sign with completely talent depleted teams.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 23:02:28 GMT -4
yes, it was all Gasol. That's why when Gasol was in the playoffs with Memphis he couldn't handle Duncan, Amare, or Dirk. It's easier to look better when you have better teammates. He's a bad defensive player now because he couldn't check Dirk, Amare and Duncan 3-5 years ago? You act like they are bunch of scrubs. Dirk was the MVP for a reason that season. No, i'm acting like maybe he had some extra help on the Lakers
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 23:05:45 GMT -4
If there's an auction for a chess board and you have more money than anyone else who has the best chance of getting the chess board? The Grizz were banking on signing someone with the cap so you have to factor that into the trade. Last season they tried for Josh Smith, but the Hawks matched. In the end they landed Z-Bo. Not my first choice by far as he's a complete headcase, but strictly from a talent standpoint he alone isn't that far off from Gasol. Is he going to turn the Grizz around? Not likely, but neither would Gasol because unless you're a superstar you need a supporting cast to have any team success. Josh Smith isn't any more of a true #1 option than Pau Gasol and signing him was a pipedream given his restricted free agency status. True #1 options rarely hit free agency and when they do they don't sign with completely talent depleted teams. never said Smith was a #1. But you add him to what we also got in the trade and I'd take that over Gasol. IMO Smith will never be a #1, but he could have a big impact on a team due to his skill set. Given his age he could become an elite defender. He could also improve his offense enough to actually be a threat although he has a ways to go in that department
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jul 9, 2009 23:06:30 GMT -4
the year before we traded gasol we went 22-60 with him. the year we traded him we were 13-33 at the trade. It became obvious we weren't going to win with him and didn't have the assets to get him what he needed, and didn't have the time to wait on the youth to develop to help Pau. When you factor all that it pretty much means it's time to make a change I understand that. I tried the same strategy with the SLOR Cavs. Marbury was a beast, I had him in his prime but was still a lottery team without the assets needed to bring in capable talent around him. Free agency was on the horizon so I bottomed out rather than taking a chance on him leaving.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 23:07:18 GMT -4
also it wasn't a complete pipe dream simply due to the problems smith was having with the coach and the fact the hawks weren't exactly wanting to spend that kind of money on smith. That's part of the reason childress went overseas. The hawks weren't wanting to spend.
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Post by sativa417 on Jul 9, 2009 23:09:40 GMT -4
the year before we traded gasol we went 22-60 with him. the year we traded him we were 13-33 at the trade. It became obvious we weren't going to win with him and didn't have the assets to get him what he needed, and didn't have the time to wait on the youth to develop to help Pau. When you factor all that it pretty much means it's time to make a change I understand that. I tried the same strategy with the SLOR Cavs. Marbury was a beast, I had him in his prime but was still a lottery team without the assets needed to bring in capable talent around him. Free agency was on the horizon so I bottomed out rather than taking a chance on him leaving. sometimes that's the best option. I agree that it was a horrible trade at the time, but looking back I don't think it's that bad for memphis, but no one wants to believe that because the Lakers just won a ring.
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Post by c_kriz on Jul 14, 2009 2:47:22 GMT -4
Cavs sign Anthony Parker? Hes no Villanueva, Sheed, or Ariza but i guess il take it....
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Post by DRE on Jul 14, 2009 3:51:30 GMT -4
He's less of a headache than Villanueva and Sheed, and is a much better longball threat than Ariza.
-Dre
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Post by Beast Mode (lilsims) on Jul 14, 2009 16:10:04 GMT -4
Odom gets an offer from the Mavs. If Cuban overpays for Kidd, I'm sure he will do the same for Odom. We really need Odom in LA, but looks like we will be losing him. Mavs have deeper pockets................. well there willing to go deeper into therepockets then the Lakers. Cuban doesn't care
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