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Post by Ballin on Feb 7, 2008 22:12:25 GMT -4
Yea but the thing is with Shaq no matter how old fat or bad he is, he will still demand the double team. He is to dangerous in the post. With all those Phoenix shooters they should get a lot of open looks. They probably could have found a better fit, but i think they have a better shot in the playoffs with Shaq, rather then Marion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2008 22:19:22 GMT -4
I agree that they have a better chance in the playoffs (still not good) with a healthy Shaq. But I don't think that's likely to happen.
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Post by Ballin on Feb 7, 2008 22:29:51 GMT -4
I agree that they have a better chance at the playoffs (still not good) with a healthy Shaq. But I don't think that's likely to happen. Yea the West is ridiculous
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Feb 7, 2008 22:42:03 GMT -4
Marion IMO is one of those guys who needs a guy like Nash to be allstar caliber. He isn't a guy who can create his own shot... Although i don't know why he would want to with his form. He isn't as good as his stats suggest atleast half his points are breakaway dunks. That system made Marion good, he wouldn't be half the player in a regular offense. IMO Marion was an all star (2003) before Nash was ever on his team and the "system" was in place.
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Post by Ballin on Feb 7, 2008 22:46:33 GMT -4
Look at his numbers before Nash came offensively. He never shot over 50% until nash came. With Nash he shot over 50% 3 out of 4 years.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Feb 7, 2008 22:57:09 GMT -4
Wasn't he moved to a PF once they established the run and gun? Big men almost always have the best FG%s on the team. He has always had all star talent with or without Nash.
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Post by Ballin on Feb 7, 2008 23:01:07 GMT -4
Yea but not cause his post moves or anything, because Nash got him open dunks and layups. He can play do everything but shoot. He really just has amazing athleticism.
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Post by Jogo on Feb 7, 2008 23:12:27 GMT -4
He did have a very good season the year before Nash. A very good season of serious losing. Still that says more about Nash than Marion anyway.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Feb 7, 2008 23:16:09 GMT -4
What?
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 27, 2008 0:40:32 GMT -4
Update:
Shaq is The Big Liability The Suns perimeter defense is the suck Dre and Jogo dont know anything about basketball
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Post by Jogo on Apr 27, 2008 13:32:44 GMT -4
Nobody said Shaq would solve everything and give them the title. But while the obvious and easy side to take was to say the trade was stupid some actually praise people who take chances. They didn't have a chance to beat the Spurs before the trade and they made stupid mistakes in the 1st 2 games showing they still aren't ready to beat the team to beat in the West. But only an idiot is capable of blaming the 0-3 on the trade but we all know you are one so it suits. Parker is destroying them and Shaq is actually doing a decent job on Duncan. I guess to you, a basketball "expert" Marion would be the one stopping Parker lol.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 27, 2008 14:22:14 GMT -4
I have to give you credit for at least being consistent. Consistently wrong, but at least its something. Marion would be guarding Tony Parker because that's exactly who he guarded last year. As usual the more you post the more ignorant you sound. "Suns Blow out Spurs in Game 2 Tiny by Dan on May 8, 2007 11:25 PM MDT in Suns News They beat the Spurs 101-81. The Suns came out and knew exactly what they needed to do. They put Kurt Thomas on Tim Duncan and moved Shawn Marion to guard Tony Parker. And, at least for one game, that was the key to the Spurs. Will it happen again? I have no idea. I think it can. But the Suns have to play the next two games in San Antonio. First on Saturday and then on Monday. But for now, the critics are silenced and the Suns are on top of the world. Many people will say that Kurt Thomas was player of the game. And he played a heck of a game. He really played Tim Duncan well. Tim Duncan scored 29 points on 12-20 shooting, had 11 rebounds and 4 fouls. It just seemed like Kurt Thomas was keeping him off his game. And Thomas scored 12 points of his own! But the real key to the game - in my opinion - was Shawn Marion's play on Tony Parker. Shawn only scored 5 points on 2-4 shooting. But without Shawn, this game would have been a lot closer. Tony Parker shot 5-14, had 13 points and only 3 assists." www.brightsideofthesun.com/story/2007/5/9/12539/37918Giving the Suns management props for "taking a chance" is like congratulating your Mom for spending her entire welfare check on lottery tickets.
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Post by Jogo on Apr 27, 2008 20:40:15 GMT -4
I guess you should be doing the management of their team. You can't even do it right in a sim league with a bunch of kids but that doesn't stop you from thinking you know best.
I don't recall that game but today Paker scored 18 pts on 7-17, had 3 assists to 5 turnovers in a blowout win by the Suns. I guess the key was Marion too. Or maybe players have bad games and Marion can't really stop Parker on regular basis and if you actually watched games instead of just reading recaps on the internet, you'd know that. If Marion could stop parker on regular basis, while Duncan wasn't dominating them, the Suns wouldn't have felt they needed a trade because they would have beaten the Spurs with the team they had before by now. Fact is the Suns never matched with the Spurs well, and mostly that was because of Tim Duncan. They never had an answer for him. Shaq has really helped there so for that problem he has been the solution. Of course that didn't solve everything but I give them credit for trying. Or maybe you think they would have beaten the Spurs if they hadn't make the trade. But do you really? Or you're just the kind that like to take the obvious side and then show up when it's time to collect the credit for stating the obvious? And dispite the trade I still had and have the Spurs over the Suns because the Spurs are still the better overall team and that's mostly because they are the smarter team. The way the Suns lost Game 1 just shows why they can't beat the Spurs no matter how hard they try to solve their matchup problems.
PS: Your lottery tickets example is so dumb that it could only come from you. A welfare check is something granted that you shouldn't jeoperdize on a low odds thing (lottey). The suns beating the Spurs was already a low odds thing so there was no real problem in taking a chance on a trade. A better example would have been "taking the lottery tickets money and using it on the casino" (in both you are likely to lose so it's no big deal).
PS2: See what I just did? I took a stupid thing, criticized it for being stupid while offering a better solution. Just criticizing is easy.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 27, 2008 21:13:40 GMT -4
I'm the one who should watch the games instead of reading recaps? This coming from the guy who thought it was absurd to suggest the Marion would guard Tony Parker? That's hilarious. Shaq did a hell of a job stopping Duncan in Game 1. I mean Duncan ONLY had 40 points and 15 rebounds. He was pretty much the only reason the Suns were in the game. Game 2 and 3 the Spurs just pick and rolled Shaq and the Suns to death. Shaq is a horrible help defender and it couldn't have been more clear this past week. I don't know what third world country you come from but if they have it out there I suggest you invest in hi definition and watch the games again so the absurdity of your statements could be made more clear. The Spurs took the day off tonight and the Suns won Game 4. Congratulations! Spurs in 5!
I don't need props for pointing out a trade that is obviously dumb isn't going to work, but its pretty funny to point out how dumb your posts are in this thread. You should probably erase them since you are getting so worked up about it. I had no idea you would be so embarrassed.
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Post by Jogo on Apr 27, 2008 21:35:36 GMT -4
First I never said Marion couldn't guard Parker. I guess it's all said and done when make up stuff to keep going. I said and still say, he couldn't stop him on a regular basis. I guess I can be wrong with that statement but I also said you are dumb and there it was proved I'm not wrong. You pretty much let it all out in your last post . Am I supposed to keep argueing with someone like that? Only for kicks but it gets boring after a couple of posts. First you showed you have no idea how the world is outside the US and ignorance added to prejudice is a much bigger problem that being an idiot basketball wise. Then you showed what this was all about. I should have seen that from the start and ignored you but I actually thought you wanted to make some educated point. Turns out this is all about bias. I should have guessed: Laker fan + kobe lover = Shaq hatter, so it all about blaming Shaq for everything. How could I expect an idiot to not act like an idiot? My bad of course.
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