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Post by Bish on Jun 8, 2009 1:52:36 GMT -4
Turkoglu pushes off with his forearm and elbow every time he drives. He's been almost as invisible as Dwight Howard in these Finals, but at least he had a slightly better than mediocre game tonight. Definitely a low quality game from both teams. Can I get an Odom Dominates! though?
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 8, 2009 2:01:18 GMT -4
Odom was money but he had a lot to do with Lewis going off tonight as well. I'm thinking Fisher or Gasol earned the Dominates! tag for Game 2.
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Post by Bish on Jun 8, 2009 2:04:54 GMT -4
Yes, good point. Or how about a Redick Doesn't Dominate!? That guy sucks. I was glad every time he came on to the court.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 8, 2009 2:22:53 GMT -4
Kobe goes into 82 point game mode every time that Backstreet Boy tries to guard him.
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Post by Dan on Jun 8, 2009 2:25:49 GMT -4
Turkoglu pushes off with his forearm and elbow every time he drives. He's been almost as invisible as Dwight Howard in these Finals, but at least he had a slightly better than mediocre game tonight. Definitely a low quality game from both teams. Can I get an Odom Dominates! though? I'm sorry since when was 22 points, 6 boards, and 4 assists considered "invisible"? That goes for Dwight too. He had 17 points, 16 boards, 4 blocks, 4 assists, and 4 steals. Are you lazy or just retarded? The Magic should've converted that last second play, Lee just flat out missed it. You can't even deny that game didn't belong to the refs, who called so many bogus calls it was unbearable. Then again, anything with Steve Javie reffing will almost always be one sided. For being one of "the best referees in the game" (then again, the commentators say that about EVERY ref it seems), it seems most of the games I watch these days that are refereed especially terribly are by those that have Javie as the head.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 8, 2009 2:38:20 GMT -4
Turkoglu pushes off with his forearm and elbow every time he drives. He's been almost as invisible as Dwight Howard in these Finals, but at least he had a slightly better than mediocre game tonight. Definitely a low quality game from both teams. Can I get an Odom Dominates! though? I'm sorry since when was 22 points, 6 boards, and 4 assists considered "invisible"? That goes for Dwight too. He had 17 points, 16 boards, 4 blocks, 4 assists, and 4 steals. Are you lazy or just retarded? The Magic should've converted that last second play, Lee just flat out missed it. You can't even deny that game didn't belong to the refs, who called so many bogus calls it was unbearable. Then again, anything with Steve Javie reffing will almost always be one sided. For being one of "the best referees in the game" (then again, the commentators say that about EVERY ref it seems), it seems most of the games I watch these days that are refereed especially terribly are by those that have Javie as the head. Its pretty embarrassing that I can got to an Orlando Magic blog and read less crying about the refs than here. www.thirdquartercollapse.com/2009/6/7/902129/immediate-postgame-comment-threadGet a grip of yourself. If Stan Van Gundy who is one of the biggest whiners in the league isn't even complaining about the officials then you are just being a bitter jealous hater
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Post by Bish on Jun 8, 2009 3:06:54 GMT -4
Dwight is/was good on defense and on the glass, no doubt. But the fact that he has been so useless on offense (while being mostly guarded by Gasol) pretty much negates the defensive bonus his team should be getting. Shard was the only one worth worrying about tonight. I've seen many better games out of Turkoglu too, and he's had none of the swagger this series that he seemed to have for most of the season.
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Post by Dan on Jun 8, 2009 3:25:02 GMT -4
I'm sorry since when was 22 points, 6 boards, and 4 assists considered "invisible"? That goes for Dwight too. He had 17 points, 16 boards, 4 blocks, 4 assists, and 4 steals. Are you lazy or just retarded? The Magic should've converted that last second play, Lee just flat out missed it. You can't even deny that game didn't belong to the refs, who called so many bogus calls it was unbearable. Then again, anything with Steve Javie reffing will almost always be one sided. For being one of "the best referees in the game" (then again, the commentators say that about EVERY ref it seems), it seems most of the games I watch these days that are refereed especially terribly are by those that have Javie as the head. Its pretty embarrassing that I can got to an Orlando Magic blog and read less crying about the refs than here. www.thirdquartercollapse.com/2009/6/7/902129/immediate-postgame-comment-threadGet a grip of yourself. If Stan Van Gundy who is one of the biggest whiners in the league isn't even complaining about the officials then you are just being a bitter jealous hater So because a few Magic fans complain less than me, that makes my complaints wrong or invalid? I'm just saying the game was reffed horribly. I don't care what they, nor what Van Gundy say or think, I thought the game was poorly reffed throughout. There you go again with the namecalling, "bitter jealous hater". I am not jealous of a team that hasn't won in 7 years and losing in their last 2 Finals appearances to far inferior teams when my favorite team has won 4 in the last nine years while going a perfect 4-0 in the Finals. You're a Lakers fan and you have every right to be, but you act like I can't or shouldn't say anything about the Lakers or any of the games in general because I'm obviously biased. Duh. So are you.
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Post by Dan on Jun 8, 2009 3:29:59 GMT -4
Dwight is/was good on defense and on the glass, no doubt. But the fact that he has been so useless on offense (while being mostly guarded by Gasol) pretty much negates the defensive bonus his team should be getting. Shard was the only one worth worrying about tonight. I've seen many better games out of Turkoglu too, and he's had none of the swagger this series that he seemed to have for most of the season. The Lakers interior defense is good. Gasol is an underrated defender and Bynum has size. Dwight's main arsenal inside is his running hook shot, and he's not going to get that over the hands of Gasol or Bynum often. I think he's doing fine considering he only got ten touches in Game 2, not to mention I don't think he's getting any respect in the post, the Lakers are hacking away and the refs barely call it. As far as Turkoglu, yeah, he's had better games, but to call him "invisible" after a stat sheet like that is pretty amazing. Not to mention he hit a big shot with about 1:40 to go or something. If you want to call anyone "invisible", call out Rafer Alston, who was mad with SVG that he didn't play him the whole second quarter in Game 1. Jameer Nelson is much better than you dude, and you're not even shooting that well so why even say something like that? 4 points tonight. If I were the Magic I'd start Jameer in Game 3 to re-energize the offense. Pietrus has got to get going from downtown early as well.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 8, 2009 8:16:41 GMT -4
So because a few Magic fans complain less than me, that makes my complaints wrong or invalid? I'm just saying the game was reffed horribly. I don't care what they, nor what Van Gundy say or think, I thought the game was poorly reffed throughout. There you go again with the namecalling, "bitter jealous hater". I am not jealous of a team that hasn't won in 7 years and losing in their last 2 Finals appearances to far inferior teams when my favorite team has won 4 in the last nine years while going a perfect 4-0 in the Finals. You're a Lakers fan and you have every right to be, but you act like I can't or shouldn't say anything about the Lakers or any of the games in general because I'm obviously biased. Duh. So are you. Whining about missed foul calls that favor the Lakers while keeping your head in the sand about missed foul calls that hurt the Lakers is the act of someone just being a hater. If people could actually watch a Spurs game without falling asleep they could just whine about 4-5 missed to questionable calls in favor of the Spurs every freaking game. Thats NBA basketball. Thats how its always been. Thats how it was they were winning titles and thats how it is now that they are irrelevant first round fodder.
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Post by Dan on Jun 8, 2009 11:56:03 GMT -4
So because a few Magic fans complain less than me, that makes my complaints wrong or invalid? I'm just saying the game was reffed horribly. I don't care what they, nor what Van Gundy say or think, I thought the game was poorly reffed throughout. There you go again with the namecalling, "bitter jealous hater". I am not jealous of a team that hasn't won in 7 years and losing in their last 2 Finals appearances to far inferior teams when my favorite team has won 4 in the last nine years while going a perfect 4-0 in the Finals. You're a Lakers fan and you have every right to be, but you act like I can't or shouldn't say anything about the Lakers or any of the games in general because I'm obviously biased. Duh. So are you. Whining about missed foul calls that favor the Lakers while keeping your head in the sand about missed foul calls that hurt the Lakers is the act of someone just being a hater. If people could actually watch a Spurs game without falling asleep they could just whine about 4-5 missed to questionable calls in favor of the Spurs every freaking game. Thats NBA basketball. Thats how its always been. Thats how it was they were winning titles and thats how it is now that they are irrelevant first round fodder. Lol I love how this is the Magic-Lakers and you still find a way to get talking about the Spurs. There you go again resting on common stereotypes that they are boring despite them having one of the fastest and most exciting backcourts in the league with Parker and Ginobili. You sound like a hater yourself with that stupid stereotype. "First round fodder"? They didn't have Manu Ginobili for crying out loud, did you really expect them to beat a surging Mavs team (at the time) without one of the most unique players in the game? Not to mention they were beat up all year with Parker being out at the beginning of the year, Ginobili being in and out all year, and Duncan's knees wearing down at the end of the season. To get the third seed despite all that is pretty impressive. If healthy next year, they're still a contender next year for sure. But Lakers fans like you love to rule them out, and everyone always forgets that in the Lakers-Spurs Western Conference Finals series a year ago, Ginobili was playing on one ankle that entire series, and that injury would unfortunately carry over til this year. So you're claiming the four titles they won were because the refs helped them out. And you're calling me a hater? Wow, lol. I'm sorry the Spurs disrupted the Lakers four-peat in 2003, and drove Derek Fisher and Kobe Bryant to tears (literally) in Game 6 when they abused them at home. I'm sure the refs set it up that way though. I think you're trying to refer to 2007 when the Nash incident occurred, but to apply that to all four of their titles is pretty remarkable. That was a controversial issue, I still think Nash totally exaggerated the whole thing. If Horry had hip-checked him anywhere else on the court, no one would've had a problem with it, but since he went flying into the scorer's table due to his great acting, everyone, including you, still thinks the Spurs stole one there. Amare was the idiot saying he was "going to the scorer's table" to go back in to the game when replays clearly showed he stepped on the court. Sorry if the Suns players break the rules by stepping on the court, that rule has been intact and followed for as long as I can remember, dating back to the Heat-Knicks series that got heated back in the 90's. I don't like the Lakers because I've always disliked them, but at least the Spurs have character guys. Derek Fisher bailed on Utah and used his daugther as an excuse to get out of his contract. After saying he "needed time" to think about his career, he decides ONE WEEK LATER to sign with the Lakers. No, don't retire to spend time with your daughter, go right back to Los Angeles. To me that is one of the most despicable things I've seen from a player, using his daugther's cancer to better his career while at the same time lying to an organization (Utah) who fell in love with him over the course of that year. There's a reason the Utah crowd booed him heavily in the first round. I won't even start on Kobe's attitude. Ariza is about the only Laker I truly like. None of the Spurs have been arrested, talked about each other behind each other's backs, or been caught cheating on their wives, unlike Mr. Bryant. I have no reason to be jealous of a team with those kinds of players on it.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 8, 2009 12:50:12 GMT -4
If David Stern did not want a small market team to win a championship the Spurs would never be champions. Its as simple as that. In fact the Spurs teams are and were highly regarded for being one of the best teams in the league at defending without committing a foul. In the bang-bang world of the NBA the line between defending well and committing a foul is so thin that the referees could have intentionally called more fouls on the Spurs and the common NBA fan would not have even noticed.
Its amazing that the most religious among us are also the quickest to judge people they know nothing about. Fisher daughter's eye cancer is extremely rare. The doctors that have the most experience with it work in Los Angeles. Those are facts. Other facts that you seem to have forgotten are that A) He was getting less money to join the Lakers B) The Lakers were a significantly worse team than the Jazz(at that time) and C) Kobe Bryant had demanded a trade. It takes a real spin on reality to flip those circumstances and claim Fisher made the move to better his career when he was ultimately getting paid much less to play for a worse team that had the potential to get even more terrible than better any time soon.
Yet here you are frothing at the mouth.
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Post by Dan on Jun 8, 2009 13:01:28 GMT -4
If David Stern did not want a small market team to win a championship the Spurs would never be champions. Its as simple as that. In fact the Spurs teams are and were highly regarded for being one of the best teams in the league at defending without committing a foul. In the bang-bang world of the NBA the line between defending well and committing a foul is so thin that the referees could have intentionally called more fouls on the Spurs and the common NBA fan would not have even noticed. Its amazing that the most religious among us are also the quickest to judge people they know nothing about. Fisher daughter's eye cancer is extremely rare. The doctors that have the most experience with it work in Los Angeles. Those are facts. Other facts that you seem to have forgotten are that A) He was getting less money to join the Lakers B) The Lakers were a significantly worse team than the Jazz(at that time) and C) Kobe Bryant had demanded a trade. It takes a real spin on reality to flip those circumstances and claim Fisher made the move to better his career when he was ultimately getting paid much less to play for a worse team that had the potential to get even more terrible than better any time soon. Yet here you are frothing at the mouth. Alright, you and me must have completely takes on jealousy. To me, the word "jealousy" means that I want something and am angry I don't have it. How is what I said about Fisher or Bryant indicated that I would want either of them on my favorite team? "Frothing at the mouth"? More like listing facts as well as stable opinions. To me Fisher bailed on the Jazz, I thought it that way at the time, I still think he did it now. Did you honestly think the Lakers were going to trade Kobe? Neither did anyone else, including Fisher. Oh, what a sacrifice to be earning a little less while starting for a team that is one piece away (insert Gasol) from being a serious title contender, as opposed to coming off the bench for a hit and miss team like Utah. To me, when a player said "he needs time", I'm thinking atleast a few weeks, maybe months, but it took Fisher all of one week to decide he wanted to go back to the Lakers. Please. Moving to LA to treat your daughter's cancer is one thing, but deciding in that small time-frame that hey you're mentally healthy to stay in the game of basketball, means that this was his plan all along to me. What a shame too, I've never liked Fisher, but I atleast felt for him at the time when he was going back and forth to New York during the Jazz games. The Jazz fans loved and supported him too for that, and this is what they get.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 8, 2009 14:18:13 GMT -4
Sorry that Fisher did not deal with his daughter's eye cancer on the time table you would have preferred. He just couldn't help but sign on to the Lakers when they are at their lowest point this decade. He messed around with the trade machine and knew that Pau Gasol and Trevor Ariza were destined to be on their way to the Lake show for Kwame Brown and Brian Cook months after he signed on the dotted line.
I should also apologize for Lamar Odom who continued playing basketball despite his infant son dying of SIDS. He claims that basketball helps keep his mind off the pain of losing his son but what does he know. I'm sure he would welcome your advice on what the proper way to deal with personal tragedy is.
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Post by Bish on Jun 8, 2009 14:26:25 GMT -4
Let's get back to what really matters here. Lakers up 2-0, and just need to take 1 of 3 in Orlando. I hope they don't sweep for Dan's sake though. I'm not sure he could handle it.
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