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Post by Dan on Jun 8, 2009 15:19:46 GMT -4
Sorry that Fisher did not deal with his daughter's eye cancer on the time table you would have preferred. He just couldn't help but sign on to the Lakers when they are at their lowest point this decade. He messed around with the trade machine and knew that Pau Gasol and Trevor Ariza were destined to be on their way to the Lake show for Kwame Brown and Brian Cook months after he signed on the dotted line. I should also apologize for Lamar Odom who continued playing basketball despite his infant son dying of SIDS. He claims that basketball helps keep his mind off the pain of losing his son but what does he know. I'm sure he would welcome your advice on what the proper way to deal with personal tragedy is. You really like to twist words around. When did I say it wasn't ok to play basketball due to tragedy? I never said that. I believe Fisher could've continued to play in Utah while his daughter received treatment. That's part of being an athlete, sometimes you play in cities that you don't live in. Jamie Moyer, the Phillies pitcher, resides in Seattle, but plays in Philadelphia. It's part of the game. Now if Fisher was playing in Boston and LA offered the best treatment, ok, I could understand that, but Utah is not that far away from LA. Instead Fisher acts like he's doing this for his daughter, while if you compare what he said to the timeline of his actions, it looks very suspicious IMO. The Lakers made the Finals last year without Ariza because he was hurt, and as I said, even with Kwame Brown they were one solid big man away (Gasol) from being a championship contender. I'm not even going to comment on the Odom thing, that's just you trying to insert a scenario we aren't even talking about. What happened to both Odom and Fisher was tragic, it was how Fisher bailed on the Jazz that was despicable.
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Post by Dan on Jun 8, 2009 15:22:57 GMT -4
Let's get back to what really matters here. Lakers up 2-0, and just need to take 1 of 3 in Orlando. I hope they don't sweep for Dan's sake though. I'm not sure he could handle it. As said I don't really care anymore, last night's reffing was a good indication that the Lakers will continue to get BS calls (such as whenever Fisher "draws" a foul) despite it not being even close. NBA refs suck at their jobs and will continue to until the league gets a commissioner who's more concerned about the integrity of the game rather than big ratings and money. I don't plan on watching much of the Finals unless the reffing gets better, which it probably won't.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 8, 2009 15:47:11 GMT -4
Sorry that Fisher did not deal with his daughter's eye cancer on the time table you would have preferred. He just couldn't help but sign on to the Lakers when they are at their lowest point this decade. He messed around with the trade machine and knew that Pau Gasol and Trevor Ariza were destined to be on their way to the Lake show for Kwame Brown and Brian Cook months after he signed on the dotted line. I should also apologize for Lamar Odom who continued playing basketball despite his infant son dying of SIDS. He claims that basketball helps keep his mind off the pain of losing his son but what does he know. I'm sure he would welcome your advice on what the proper way to deal with personal tragedy is. You really like to twist words around. When did I say it wasn't ok to play basketball due to tragedy? I never said that. I believe Fisher could've continued to play in Utah while his daughter received treatment. That's part of being an athlete, sometimes you play in cities that you don't live in. Jamie Moyer, the Phillies pitcher, resides in Seattle, but plays in Philadelphia. It's part of the game. Now if Fisher was playing in Boston and LA offered the best treatment, ok, I could understand that, but Utah is not that far away from LA. Instead Fisher acts like he's doing this for his daughter, while if you compare what he said to the timeline of his actions, it looks very suspicious IMO. The Lakers made the Finals last year without Ariza because he was hurt, and as I said, even with Kwame Brown they were one solid big man away (Gasol) from being a championship contender. I'm not even going to comment on the Odom thing, that's just you trying to insert a scenario we aren't even talking about. What happened to both Odom and Fisher was tragic, it was how Fisher bailed on the Jazz that was despicable. In what world of morality do you live in where a mans obligation to his team is more important to the obligation to his family? The Jazz willingly voided his contract because he was tremendously overpaid. They were paying 6 million a year plus luxury taxes for a 32 year old backup PG to shoot .382 from the field and .300 from the 3 point line. Do you think they would do the same for Deron Williams? Of course not. What part of this don't you understand? [/u] He didn't rule out playing for another NBA team but emphasized that his daughter's health is his No. 1 priority."Life for me outweighs the game of basketball," Fisher told reporters after flying from New York to meet with Jazz owner Larry H. Miller and other team executives. ... He said his desire to leave Utah does not mean that medical care here is weak. Rather, Fisher said he and his wife need a place that has the "right combination" of specialists. He declined to identify the cities under consideration. Many NBA players work apart from their families, but it's not an option for him. He and Candace have four children.
"For me and my family, we just don't believe in it. ... I don't think I could be the player I could be if I had to carry that load," Fisher said.[/u] Wiping away tears, Miller said Fisher "leaves a legacy" of leadership and toughness for Utah's young players. "He's focused on the most important thing," the owner said of Fisher's request to leave the Jazz. Fisher doesn't want to retire but acknowledged it's a possibility. "I'll be 33 in August. I'm 6-1. I averaged 10 points this year," he said. "I don't know how many people feel strongly about what I do." [/quote]
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 8, 2009 15:51:00 GMT -4
Let's get back to what really matters here. Lakers up 2-0, and just need to take 1 of 3 in Orlando. I hope they don't sweep for Dan's sake though. I'm not sure he could handle it. As said I don't really care anymore, last night's reffing was a good indication that the Lakers will continue to get BS calls (such as whenever Fisher "draws" a foul) despite it not being even close. NBA refs suck at their jobs and will continue to until the league gets a commissioner who's more concerned about the integrity of the game rather than big ratings and money. I don't plan on watching much of the Finals unless the reffing gets better, which it probably won't. Please get the conspiracy straight. In order to earn more money and have bigger ratings the referees need to ensure some Magic wins to keep fans tuned in. The logical bias would be for Orlando.
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Post by Dan on Jun 8, 2009 15:58:53 GMT -4
As said I don't really care anymore, last night's reffing was a good indication that the Lakers will continue to get BS calls (such as whenever Fisher "draws" a foul) despite it not being even close. NBA refs suck at their jobs and will continue to until the league gets a commissioner who's more concerned about the integrity of the game rather than big ratings and money. I don't plan on watching much of the Finals unless the reffing gets better, which it probably won't. Please get the conspiracy straight. In order to earn more money and have bigger ratings the referees need to ensure some Magic wins to keep fans tuned in. The logical bias would be for Orlando. You're the only one whose acting like I'm pitching any conspiracies right now. I do think big market teams get more favoritism, but that's a widely held belief. You're the one who keeps on acting like I think these Finals are a conspiracy. Please tell me where I said that. All I'm saying is that last night's game was reffed horribly and you go off on how you think I think it's all a conspiracy.
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Post by Dan on Jun 8, 2009 16:03:07 GMT -4
You really like to twist words around. When did I say it wasn't ok to play basketball due to tragedy? I never said that. I believe Fisher could've continued to play in Utah while his daughter received treatment. That's part of being an athlete, sometimes you play in cities that you don't live in. Jamie Moyer, the Phillies pitcher, resides in Seattle, but plays in Philadelphia. It's part of the game. Now if Fisher was playing in Boston and LA offered the best treatment, ok, I could understand that, but Utah is not that far away from LA. Instead Fisher acts like he's doing this for his daughter, while if you compare what he said to the timeline of his actions, it looks very suspicious IMO. The Lakers made the Finals last year without Ariza because he was hurt, and as I said, even with Kwame Brown they were one solid big man away (Gasol) from being a championship contender. I'm not even going to comment on the Odom thing, that's just you trying to insert a scenario we aren't even talking about. What happened to both Odom and Fisher was tragic, it was how Fisher bailed on the Jazz that was despicable. In what world of morality do you live in where a mans obligation to his team is more important to the obligation to his family? The Jazz willingly voided his contract because he was tremendously overpaid. They were paying 6 million a year plus luxury taxes for a 32 year old backup PG to shoot .382 from the field and .300 from the 3 point line. Do you think they would do the same for Deron Williams? Of course not. What part of this don't you understand? [/u] He didn't rule out playing for another NBA team but emphasized that his daughter's health is his No. 1 priority."Life for me outweighs the game of basketball," Fisher told reporters after flying from New York to meet with Jazz owner Larry H. Miller and other team executives. ... He said his desire to leave Utah does not mean that medical care here is weak. Rather, Fisher said he and his wife need a place that has the "right combination" of specialists. He declined to identify the cities under consideration. Many NBA players work apart from their families, but it's not an option for him. He and Candace have four children.
"For me and my family, we just don't believe in it. ... I don't think I could be the player I could be if I had to carry that load," Fisher said.[/u] Wiping away tears, Miller said Fisher "leaves a legacy" of leadership and toughness for Utah's young players. "He's focused on the most important thing," the owner said of Fisher's request to leave the Jazz. Fisher doesn't want to retire but acknowledged it's a possibility. "I'll be 33 in August. I'm 6-1. I averaged 10 points this year," he said. "I don't know how many people feel strongly about what I do." [/quote][/quote] Funny you underlined the one quote "Life for me outweighs the game of basketball". You're proving my point. How can someone possibly weigh everything in ONE WEEK and determine they are mentally stable to play again. That's just not the norm for these types of situations, for it to take that short for him to figure things out is flat-out unbelievable. It's just what I think, and I'm entitled to my own opinion.
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Post by Dan on Jun 8, 2009 16:16:22 GMT -4
I'm done arguing now, you have your opinion, I have mine. Simple as that.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 8, 2009 16:18:08 GMT -4
Funny you underlined the one quote "Life for me outweighs the game of basketball". You're proving my point. How can someone possibly weigh everything in ONE WEEK and determine they are mentally stable to play again. That's just not the norm for these types of situations, for it to take that short for him to figure things out is flat-out unbelievable. It's just what I think, and I'm entitled to my own opinion. Where does he say he wasn't mentally stable enough to play basketball with Utah? He continued playing basketball for the Jazz even when he first became aware of her condition. His mental stability had nothing to do with his release from the Jazz. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but one that is built on assumption and poor logic has little to no credibility.
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Post by Dan on Jun 8, 2009 16:20:47 GMT -4
Funny you underlined the one quote "Life for me outweighs the game of basketball". You're proving my point. How can someone possibly weigh everything in ONE WEEK and determine they are mentally stable to play again. That's just not the norm for these types of situations, for it to take that short for him to figure things out is flat-out unbelievable. It's just what I think, and I'm entitled to my own opinion. Where does he say he wasn't mentally stable enough to play basketball with Utah? He continued playing basketball for the Jazz even when he first became aware of her condition. His mental stability had nothing to do with his release from the Jazz. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but one that is built on assumption and poor logic has little to no credibility. What I meant by mental stability was how he saw himself playing basketball during his daughter's condition. He made it sound like he wasn't even ready to consider basketball for the time being, but yet one week later, he's a Laker. That's what I meant. As far as my "poor logic", just look at the time line, I'll say it again.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 8, 2009 16:28:35 GMT -4
Where does he say he wasn't mentally stable enough to play basketball with Utah? He continued playing basketball for the Jazz even when he first became aware of her condition. His mental stability had nothing to do with his release from the Jazz. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but one that is built on assumption and poor logic has little to no credibility. What I meant by mental stability was how he saw himself playing basketball during his daughter's condition. He made it sound like he wasn't even ready to consider basketball for the time being, but yet one week later, he's a Laker. That's what I meant. Does that make any sense given that he made it a point to return for Utah playoff games immediately after his daughters surgery? He says he doesn't want to retire and doesn't rule out playing next year at the press conference. I don't know why it is shocking to you that he could get A) choose the doctors and living area best suited for his families needs and B) choose a local pro team in the area to play for within a week.
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Post by Jogo on Jun 10, 2009 15:10:18 GMT -4
This Magic win might be more demoralizing than a boost to their confidence. They shot .625 and they still needed the closing seconds to make sure they would win. Lakers shoot 14 more times from the field and just 4 FTs less.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 10, 2009 16:18:27 GMT -4
This Magic win might be more demoralizing than a boost to their confidence. They shot .625 and they still needed the closing seconds to make sure they would win. Lakers shoot 14 more times from the field and just 4 FTs less. Im still not sure how the Lakers were still in that game. The Magic were shooting like 75% at one point and the Lakers were still within a basket or two.
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Post by kfilament on Jun 10, 2009 16:21:50 GMT -4
This Magic win might be more demoralizing than a boost to their confidence. They shot .625 and they still needed the closing seconds to make sure they would win. Lakers shoot 14 more times from the field and just 4 FTs less. Im still not sure how the Lakers were still in that game. The Magic were shooting like 75% at one point and the Lakers were still within a basket or two. that game reminded me of grizz games the past few seasons, its like you wanna get pumped b/c you won, but then you look up at you shoot 65% and the opposing team shoots 33% and you won by hitting a buzzer beater...bittersweet.
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Post by Bish on Jun 10, 2009 16:27:57 GMT -4
Yeah, it was a bizarre game. I actually felt a little bad for the Magic because they were shooting so unbelievably, yet couldn't pull away. After a performance like that, you'd think they'd deserve a win more like Game 1 was for the Lakers. There's no way they're going to be that hot in the upcoming games, and there's also no way Kobe will shoot 50% from the line again. If he had shot his FTs to his playoff average, they would have lost.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Jun 12, 2009 0:26:08 GMT -4
<---- Still Dominates. Can't wait to see DunkinDan cry about the refs again too when the Magic took almost double the amount of FTs
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