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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 12, 2009 22:55:28 GMT -4
What is the point of being alive then if all you can say is basically you suffer more then most others and that we should suffer because christ suffers. Sounds like a selfish person to me.
Read a real book or something, get some hobbies. As long as you keep posting this stuff I will make comments about it.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 12, 2009 23:10:05 GMT -4
Ya get a real hobby rog like antagonizing Christians because you don't believe what they believe. Were you molested by a Catholic priest or something One Time?
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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 12, 2009 23:12:19 GMT -4
Posting bullshit propaganda is a great hobby though.
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Post by rogworld1991 on Apr 12, 2009 23:16:00 GMT -4
DUDE, this is an actual sermon i'm gonna preach next weekend(sunday night)... not just posting this as propaganda, this is just something i wanted to share....
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Post by rogworld1991 on Apr 12, 2009 23:17:52 GMT -4
What is the point of being alive then if all you can say is basically you suffer more then most others and that we should suffer because christ suffers. Sounds like a selfish person to me. Read a real book or something, get some hobbies. As long as you keep posting this stuff I will make comments about it. READ IT. You obviously just saw Enduring suffering and made that comment. And you obviously haven't done any research in the Bible at all if you say Christ is selfish... But in the Bible is does say God is a selfish God
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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 13, 2009 1:51:08 GMT -4
I would rather read other books in the Fiction section.
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Post by nicksilva on Apr 13, 2009 2:38:16 GMT -4
ok i know religion is a tough subject, but here goes i was born roman catholic, i have turned my back on them because after years of research it is obvious too me that the vatican is not what it seems (ill leav eit at that) i believe in jesus christ, and the 7th day adventist church seems to be the most accurate of the lot, discuss?
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Post by cupcrazy01 on Apr 13, 2009 12:06:29 GMT -4
ok i know religion is a tough subject, but here goes i was born roman catholic, i have turned my back on them because after years of research it is obvious too me that the vatican is not what it seems (ill leav eit at that) i believe in jesus christ, and the 7th day adventist church seems to be the most accurate of the lot, discuss? Good read on the Vatican. As for "the most accurate of the lot," I think you'll find there's no real answer to this other than first abiding by the 5 Solas of the Reformation (the Reformers' movement away from the Roman Catholic Church by the likes of Martin Luther, William Tyndale and numerous others): # 1 Sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone") # 2 Sola fide ("by faith alone") # 3 Sola gratia ("by grace alone") # 4 Solus Christus ("Christ alone") # 5 Soli Deo gloria ("glory to God alone") There will always be secondary theological differences between denominations (e.g. paedobaptism vs. credobaptism), but if they get the gospel right--the Holy Trinity, God the Father sending His Son Jesus Christ into the world to die for sinners and his death and glorious resurrection that defeated Satan and the curse brought about by Adam's fall in the Garden of Eden--you're headed in the right direction.
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Post by Kobe Dominates! on Apr 13, 2009 12:12:36 GMT -4
Posting bullshit propaganda is a great hobby though. The funny thing more people on this website are interested in Rog's religious postings than your moronic drivel and you are just too dense to realize it.
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Post by J-Sav on Apr 13, 2009 12:15:06 GMT -4
Well, I believe in God. But not the Christian God. This thinking has been shared by our founding fathers and many great minds in history that believe that God loves you no matter what. God gave us reason. And reason tells me that there is a God, but not the one described in the Bible. I'm a Deist, and if you haven't heard of what Deism is, here's a description:
Deism is belief in God based on the application of our reason on the designs/laws found throughout Nature. The designs presuppose a Designer. Deism is therefore a natural religion and is not a "revealed" religion. The natural religion/philosophy of Deism frees those who embrace it from the inconsistencies of superstition and the negativity of fear that are so strongly represented in all of the "revealed" religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam. (These religions are called revealed religions because they all make claim to having received a special revelation from God which they pretend, and many of their sincere followers actually believe, their various and conflicting holy books are based on.) When enough people become Deists, reason will be elevated over fear and myth and its positive qualities will become a part of society as a whole. Then, instead of having billions of people chasing after the nonsensical violence promoting myths of the "revealed" religions, people will be centered on their God-given reason which will lead to limitless personal and societal progress!
Deism has the potential to connect with every human being because every human being possesses God-given reason. Because of this fact, Deism clicks with the vast majority of people who are made aware of it. This God-given reason, which is so dear and key to Deism, is the natural state of humanity. The superstitions of the man-made "revealed" religions are NOT the natural state of humanity. The cause of our God-given reason being overrun with these man-made myths and superstitions is very simple. ACTIVE people promoted these falsehoods. Some of these active people were motivated by self gain while others were acting on ignorance. Since the problem was brought about by ACTIVE people, it can be corrected by ACTIVE people. As the number of ACTIVE Deists grows, our actions and energies will cause Deism to eclipse the "revealed" religions of the world and Deism will eventually, through lots of hard teamwork and altruism, replace the "revealed" religions. Humanity and the individuals who make up humanity will then be able to reach their full progressive potential!
A positive approach to life is always more rewarding and motivating than a negative outlook. People all have an individual choice to embrace either the positive or the negative, regardless of their situation. By choosing and dwelling on the negative, people often paralyze themselves. It seems one depressing and negative thought spawns two or three more. It soon becomes an endless and apparently overwhelming negative cycle. I believe the Christian mind-set that is so eager to accept guilt and original sin, as well as the additional unnatural idea of redemption by proxy, is much to blame for the suffering of millions of people who allow themselves to be victims of negativity.
The insane and unreasonable ideas which abound in Christianity and Judaism are effectively neutralized and eliminated by the reason-friendly openness which permeates Deism. In place of Christianity's vacillating god of the Old and New Testaments, Deism offers an idea of a Creator as unchangeable as the laws of Nature. A Creator incapable of such misery producing acts as the extermination of men, women, children and even of unborn babies by drowning. Deism happily rejects the Passover horror story which depicts God killing the first-born of all the Egyptians, and even the first born of their animals, because Pharaoh did not do what the Bible god allegedly (according to Exodus 11:10) made impossible for him to do (releasing the Jews).
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Post by cupcrazy01 on Apr 13, 2009 12:53:49 GMT -4
As for Seventh-Day Adventists...well, I'll say that I don't believe much of their theology is biblical. Examples (my thoughts in bold):
# Law (fundamental belief 19)—the Law of God is "embodied in the Ten Commandments", which continue to be binding upon Christians.
The Law is righteous, holy and good, but it cannot and does not save anyone. Only Christ saves, and the Adventists' belief that the Law is still "binding" is out of line with Scripture (read Galatians 3). Scripture teaches justification is by faith ALONE, not faith plus works.
# Sabbath (fundamental belief 20)—the Sabbath should be observed on the seventh day of the week, specifically, from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
Most Christian churches celebrate Sunday as the Lord's Day, the "new" Sabbath. This commemorates Christ's resurrection on a Sunday, and the early church's corporate worship on Sunday (see the book of Acts). Also, Christ gives what some call "the first sermon" to two of his disciples on the Road to Emmaus after his resurrection on a Sunday. This, unlike the issue with the Law and justification is a secondary issue, however.
# Second Coming and End times (fundamental beliefs 25-28)—Jesus Christ will return visibly to earth after a "time of trouble", during which the Sabbath will become a worldwide test. The second coming will be followed by a millennial reign of the saints in heaven. Adventist eschatology is based on the historicist method of prophetic interpretation.
End times debates are numerous and confusing at times. Saying the Sabbath will become a "worldwide test," however is confusing and not biblical.
# Holistic human nature (fundamental beliefs 7, 26)—Humans are an indivisible unity of body, mind and spirit. They do not possess an immortal soul, and death is an unconscious sleep (commonly known as "soul sleep").
There are many scriptures that contradict this belief. First of all, if humans are indivisible, that would indicate to me that they are all theoretically then headed to the same place, either heaven (universalism) or somewhere else. This is not biblical and ties into this next belief point that is also heretical:
# Conditional immortality (fundamental belief 27)—The wicked will not suffer eternal torment in hell, but instead will be permanently destroyed.
Hell is real. There are numerous verses in the Bible about hell, but here are some that testify to its ETERNAL nature--it lasts forever:
Matthew 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels"
Matthew 25:46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Mark 9:43-44 "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED."
II Thessalonians 1:9 "These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power"
Revelation 14:10-11 "he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Revelation 20:10 "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
Emphasis mine.
# Spirit of Prophecy (fundamental belief 18)—The ministry of Ellen G. White is commonly referred to as the "Spirit of Prophecy" and her writings are considered "a continuing and authoritative source of truth", though ultimately subject to the Bible.
Sola Scriptura. The Word of God is the total revelation of God, there can be nothing added to it...
(Revelation 22:18-19 "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.")
...especially if what is added is contradictory to Scripture, as several things here are, among other possible things I'm not aware of...
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Post by cupcrazy01 on Apr 13, 2009 13:09:14 GMT -4
The insane and unreasonable ideas which abound in Christianity and Judaism are effectively neutralized and eliminated by the reason-friendly openness which permeates Deism. "Insane"? "Unreasonable"? Please list and explain some of either of these. In place of Christianity's vacillating god of the Old and New Testaments, Deism offers an idea of a Creator as unchangeable as the laws of Nature. God does not change, has not changed and never will change. Nothing about God changed from the Old to the New Testament. A Creator incapable of such misery producing acts as the extermination of men, women, children and even of unborn babies by drowning. Deism happily rejects the Passover horror story which depicts God killing the first-born of all the Egyptians, and even the first born of their animals, because Pharaoh did not do what the Bible god allegedly (according to Exodus 11:10) made impossible for him to do (releasing the Jews). God did indeed "harden Pharoah's heart," but Pharoah's own sin was already present. He was not going to let the people go, regardless of anything God did, but God received greater glory for Himself through Pharoah's continued sin in the revelation that He was indeed LORD through the display of His power in the plagues, which were used to even convert some Egyptians into believers.
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Post by Jogo on Apr 13, 2009 19:31:02 GMT -4
Posting bullshit propaganda is a great hobby though. The funny thing more people on this website are interested in Rog's religious postings than your moronic drivel and you are just too dense to realize it. I'd say most people on this website are here for "sim league" purposes and don't really care about this discussion and therefor their usual silence on these topics. Some people here, after some racional thinking, seem to believe in something based on their faith alone dispite the many discoveries through the evolution of man kind that proof othewise (I'm not gonna get into those though because it's 101% of the times a pointless discussion). Those I like to call the Shepards. Others it's no so much about their belief in the answers they found to their questions but more something that is built in their society that they never got to question. Those I like to call the Sheeps. Their racional is, my father believes, my neighbourhood believes, my country believes therefor I believe. Personally I don't see myself fitting in any of those 2 categories (possibly for my eternal disgrace) but I believe in freedom to let others do with their life what they wish and believe in what they want to believe without passing judgment. Personally I don't really think there is this or that God, that Jesus was probably just a "special" guy with great leadership quailities and that the Bibble probably made sense at its time. It has some great tales where one can understand what it's trying to achieve and others a bit less but it's hard to judge as I don't think any book written today will make complete sense in 4009. Religion as a whole is and has been a great walking stick for individuals and for societies in general. It has a good set of "rules" that have been helping things function although all things considered it might have done more harm than good considering for example the enumerous number of wars that have started or fed of it. It might have saved quite a few lifes too so harm vs good is a very debatable subjects like most about it. I also didn't set as a goal to change anyones mind especially because unlike some Shepards and Sheeps I'm not 100% certain that what I believe in is the right thing or the right away to live. I'd say more around here fit in this category, maybe why some people aren't really posting against Rog's sermons of lately. One Time feels strongly about it and therefor his moronic drivel like you put it. While I don't really care and won't be sweating about it, I have at least to question his need to preech in a simleague forum. There are probably more places where more people would be more interested but I guess it's cool. No topic is too off topic to be in the off topic section. PS: I swear I was just gonna write that most people don't care but it started growing lol
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Post by rogworld1991 on Apr 13, 2009 19:56:36 GMT -4
ya, just thought id share what I wrote, and I will talk about Jesus anywhere I go, because if you don't personally know Jesus Christ, then your gonna go to hell. I really don't want anyone to have to experience that. I really don't care what people say about it, but I will continue to talk, nothing will make me stop.
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Post by Seattle Slough on Apr 13, 2009 20:00:56 GMT -4
I totally agree with you. I think you can get some good values from certain religions, but I think its out of context when you take it too literal. Pisses me off why we still have wars today, and its mostly because of ignorance. Everybody thinks they are better than another person and that their views are right, instead of letting people have the freedom to their own free will. We are too far a long with society that there is no reason we shouldn't be able to communicate with others no matter their views and live in peace. Too many people make decisions that affect other people based on money, power, and religion.
One thing that makes me the most pissed off is how the US supports the war in Isreal, why the hell can't we just get a long and live together. That war is the most ridiculous of them all, well besides the damn Iraq one that our ignorant former president put us in. And yes, the US probably gives more than 10 million dollars a day to support Isreal for what? Our country is in dire need, and we are to busy worrying about other people.
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